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it's not possible because the gt4 hasn't been through the crash testing procedures like the skyline has. motorex spent a heckuva lot of money enabling the skyline to be imported, and those that are, have to have a lot of work done to make them legal.

i'm with lagos. it's not being negative... most AWD conversions to cars that are not naturally AWD are done for rally racing, and they're constantly reinforcing/rebuilding the car. it's just not a feasible thing for a street car. even a "track car" for mot people here, wouldn't work, because most people drive their track cars a fair bit on the street. a true track car, that you NEVER drove on the street, and made any repairs, reinforcements or adjustments to EVERY time before you trailered it to the track, sure, that would be feasible.

you're basically making swiss cheese out of a pretty un-reinforced chassis to begin with. the gt4 6gen chass is totally different.

^^^ ditto.

while i think your asking price is more than fair, considering the year/condition and included parts... KBB does not take into account any type of engine replacement, which drastically lowers the value of the car.

good luck with the sale man!!!

john, you're mean.

that's a gold stripe maroon clownfish, widely regarded as one of the most aggressive reef fish you can keep. watch your hands... they have cheekspines and sharp teeth. :-)



it was probably a crab that hitch-hiked in on the rocks... those fish might kill others out of territoriality, but they won't eat the other fish.

OOBE's still alive!!! He RULEZ, you should all listen to him.

just speaking from experience, if you post in OT, you're going to get major random stuff being brought up in your thread... i thought this was definitely a general discussion thread, i would have put it there. i mean, it IS a thread about celicas.

alamo motorsports in texas should be able to beat that price. they did a gb a few years ago and it was 200 plus shipping.

Why The 2JZ-GTE Isn't Feasible


At the behest of Coomer, and myself, I'm writing this sticky so hopefully people will stop asking about this swap. Please read all of this, and if it doesn't answer your questions about this issue, PM me, please don't post on the board, you'll just get flamed, most likely by me. If you read it all and still have questions, PM, don't post!

The question asked: Can I swap a 2JZ-GTE engine (from a 93-98 Supra Twin Turbo) into my 6th Generation Celica?

The answer: Yes, but that's not a good question.

The question that SHOULD be asked instead: Can I swap a 2JZ-GTE engine (from a 93-98 Supra Twin Turbo) into my 6th Generation Celica and STILL KEEP it a Celica.

The answer to this better question: No.

The first question addressed to all of you who take the "with enough money, anything is possible" stance, which is a legitimate one. Yes, you could cut through the firewall, yes you could convert the Celica to rear-wheel-drive, yes, you could do the swap. This is a valid point, but I shudder to guess at how much all this would cost.

Practically speaking, you'd have to buy a complete Twin Turbo Supra to source all the parts you might need (engine, drive-train, and suspension), and if you did that, why not just drive it? You're going to tear apart an amazing car to put the engine in your Celica? What?!!?

Ok, now to address the specifics of why you CAN'T reasonably do this swap:

1) 2JZ-GTE engines are not cheap. You think it's a lot to pay $3,000 for a 3S-GTE clip? A Supra clip will set you back anywhere from $6,000-$10,000. And that's just for the engine. You still have all of the massive custom work, and you need all of the Supra suspension and drive-train, so essentially you need the whole car. If you have 10 grand laying around to put into your Celica, call me, and I will build you the baddest one in the country. There are better ways to spend that money on a 6th Gen Celica.

2) The 2JZ-GTE is an Inline 6 Cylinder engine, mounted longitudinally. The 5S-FE and 7A-FE engines are both 4 cylinders, mounted transversely.

The best way to understand this: open your hood; see how the engine is oriented where the long sides are parallel to the bumper, essentially sideways? The Supra engine is mounted so the long sides are parallel to the fenders. Most rear-wheel-drive sports cars, like the Supra, have their engine mounted longitudinally, whereas front-wheel-drive cars, like the Celica, usually are transverse. This immediately poses the problem of mounting the engine. The Celica engine bay was not meant to ever have a longitudinally mounted engine in it.

3) The 2JZ-GTE is an Inline 6 Cylinder engine. The 7A-FE and 5S-FE are 4 cylinders.

The Supra engine is a LOT bigger that the Celica engines, it is a lot longer. Even if you could overcome the mounting issue (#2) you have the size difference. In order to fit the 2JZ in the Celica bay, you would have to do one of 2 things:

A) Extend the bumper and frame forward about a foot with custom body work, but at the same time destroying the head-on collision safeguards, and also destroying the structural integrity of the Celica frame. Did I mention that this makes the car illegal to drive on the street?
B) Cut into the firewall (the wall between you in the interior and the engine bay), to extend the engine bay to the rear, thus destroying any protection you have against a possible fire (it is called a FIREwall) and again, making the car illegal to drive on the street for a lot of reasons.

At this point I feel I should explain what I mean by "illegal" in the above situations. I'm not talking about emissions/smog, or CARB, or parts meant for "off-road use only." We all know you can get around most of that. I'm talking about "illegal" like the authorities take away the car and don't give it back. You cannot get a car with a cut firewall legally titled in ANY state, no matter who you know, the same for a car with the crash-test safeguards removed. They aren't legally considered cars at this point, just scrap.

4) If those weren't enough to deter you, you still have to convert the Celica to rear-wheel-drive. This is possible, but it will cost a lot of money, and isn't really relevant by this point. If you have come this far successfully, you've paid for at least 2 complete Supra TTs, minimum, probably closer to 3. There are other points I could go into, but by this point, if you aren't insane and Bill Gates, you're out. If not, buy me a Supra! Obviously you have more money than God.

he wasn't there today when i stopped by... should be in tomorrow... basically, the alarm is aware of all the signals going up and down all the wires it is hooked up to... and those are the same wires as the turbo timer needs to hook up to. the alarm detects the foreign signals, and doesn't allow the turbo timer signal to keep the car running to move on the wire... either because it thinks it is one of it's own signals, or whatever, i don't know. all i know is that the alarm cuts off the TT signals, and the relays basically fool the alarm into thinking the TT isn't there or that the signals on the wires are coming from the alarm and not the TT... that's the basic theory. trust me, i tried the way you are suggesting on my celica, and i never could get it to work.

don't use the camry/solara tranny for the 3sgte... keoni on celica.net did and the gearing is terrible, the powerband on the tranny just doesn't match the engine.

you could do a 3sgte auto easily with a GT auto tranny if you got a standalone ECU... and actually that is a preferable option to many, lots of TT supras with mucho HP have autos, because you take out the human error in shifting... just let the computer do it.

coomer, that won't work... we had to do this at the custom shop i used to manage a few times... you have to use 4-6 relays, depending on the car and the alarm you use. i can ask the guy that knew how to do it for more details next week when i drop off my explorer to get the amps mounted.

it's great man, i'm thinking about selling it tho, seeing as i'm moving back to the DC area, where there is winter, and i finally have made some progress on the gt4, it's going into the shop this week for about 3 months, and i was to focus solely on it for awhile, and that darn mazda is so distracting because there are SO many parts out there for it. i'll post some pics up later today.

Hey man, well I bet it works better than my 7afte did :-D muahahahahaha. and i bet it's faster... hoo boy been a while since i've been on here.

i have a HKS Japan Windmaster Exhaust that I could sell... it's been modified to fit the US floorplan, all you would have to do is seal up the extra 02 sensor bung the ST needs. IM me at Darhgo for details, or email me at meincl0@wfu.edu

dude i'm stepping in before people flame you.

it would do absolutely nothing. a CAI will get you just as cold air as hooking an IC. the reason you need an IC is b/c turbos a SCs compress the air to get more in the engine, so it gets hot, and the IC cools it down. but it's totally not necessary on a NA car, you would probably lose power.

i have a jspeed 3 point front brace and cusco rear brace for sale.

http://celica.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?u...c;f=10;t=004595

77K miles, great condition, 5spd

mods:
koni adjustable shocks
trd springs
asp underdrive pulley
suspension techniques sway bars
bbs wheels (need new tires soon)
trd short shifter
CF shift boot with red stitching
rare TRD CF shift knob
sony xplod black face cd player, 50Wx4
Rockford-Fostgate Components in the front
Cerwin Vega Speakers in the Rear

new floor mats, repainted spoiler, ac just recharged.

excellent condition inside and out, a few dings, can provide pics upon request. asking 7000 OBO.

if you act fast i'll include a custom short ram intake and the SUPER RARE HKS Windmaster Exhaust, custom fitted to this car. it sounds amazing! deep and throaty.

this car is ready for a 3sgte swap! suspension is good to go, check out my other post for the strut braces to really tune up the suspension, and other parts. if you buy parts AND the car, i'll give you a discount on the parts you pick out.

email or IM me and I can give you my phone number, info in the sig, this car has been babied, never driven hard, despite the mods i put on it.

it's a silver case, black screen and white light. it's tight

the front end, skirts wheels, brakes, wing, interior and exhaust are different too, but yeah. the brochure said there are like over 1000 changes from the regular protege.

back from out of town, will update this ASAP! it's still on.

thanks for the sentiments fellas. i'm keeping the st185 gt4... i just can't justify putting so much $$ into the 6th gen when i can put like a quarter of the money into the gt4 and get such a better performing car. i also really need something with more space. it was a really tough decision, but with the mods i want to do, it would cost me about 10 grand to finish up the 97, and i just can't put that kind of $$ into it.

i'm getting a mazdaspeed protege, my grandfather worked at ford and i can get a killer deal on it... test drove it today, it destroys my celi, even with all my mods.

anyway, i'm not going anywhere, i'll still be around. i still know more about 6th gens than most! you can't get rid of me that easily!

ray, you got the wheel and mirrors, no prob.

coomer, i'm still goin on the buy, no worries ... the HIDs went to antuahn like 4 months ago, and i'm keeping the black wheels for the gt4.

ok guys, i'm selling the celi, i just need something with more room for the daily driver. i'm parting out most of the aftermarket stuff from the 6th gen. email me or IM me for questions and pics. i am a moderator on the 6th gen forum and an honest guy, ask anyone who has dealt with me. my contact info is in my sig. my car is also for sale, if you want to buy the car and parts, i'll disount the parts you choose to keep on the car.

http://celica.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?u...c;f=10;t=004596

Non-turbo items:

Two Red Corbeau CR-1 seats with brackets for 94-99 Celica, the passenger seat is perfect, driver has extremely minor wear, only had them about 6 months on the car. 675 Shipped.

JDM GT-S 7th gen Red/Black Leather Steering wheel with Airbag and TRD button, need your 6th gen wheel and airbag in exchange, I'll send mine along first tho, 450 shipped, this is a kille deal, i paid about 750 for this setup. you'll also need the airbag plug from a 7th gen to wire up the airbag if you care, I didn't.

Start button from a honda s2000 and wiring 50 shipped *SOLD* to Spyrul

ToraSport CF Dash Kit, 7 peice, very high quality, great condition, no fade, 125 shipped.

JSpeed 3 point front strut bar with firewall bolts: 210 shipped.

Cusco Rear strut brace, 175 shipped.

JDM Spec Ed. SAFC II, Brand New, never installed, 275 shipped *SOLD* to FallenHero

Diamond Plate Floor Mats, some wear, still look great, 50 shipped. *SOLD* to 1bwilson

JDM Folding Mirrors, Red, no switch, 75 shipped. (ro0 is looking for a switch right now for me, i can get you in touch with him on that).

HKS WindMaster Exhaust, modified to fit a US celica, 475 shipped. (This will BOLT on! for a GT, you will have to seal up the 2nd 02 sensor hole that the ST needs).

JDM ST205 Tail Lights, perfect condition, 325 shipped.

JDM SSIII Bumper extensions, front and rear (this was my set from the GB) 350 shipped.

Carbon Fiber Fuel Door (will work best on a red car as the under side and hinge are red) 75 shipped. (i'll knock some off the price if you have a red celi and will send me your fuel door in exchange)

TURBO STUFF! (if you want to buy everything, let me know, and we can work out a package deal)

7A-FE Turbo kit! (4K miles) Garrett T3/T40b turbocharger, JGS Equal Length Manifold (very rare), Tial 35 MM external Wasteage, Custom 2.5" Downpipe and Midpipe with WG outlet, SS oil feed line, Oil Drain line, tapped oil pan, HKS SSQ BOV, IC Piping, Connectors, MK3 Supra IC (modified to make the inlet pipes straight). This is a great setup, I paid top dollar for all this stuff, all of it was new except for the IC, and has been driven very easily, and I let the car idle after every drive until I got the turbo timer in. I'll also include a bunch of T connectors and all the vacuum hose i have laying around. 2200 shipped.

Venom Turbo Probe 380cc Injectors with new o-rings and seats from Toyota, direct bolt on for a 7afe. 300 shipped. Never run on the car, these are brand new.

Supra TT Fuel Pump, brand new in the box, 140 shipped.

Autometer C2 Electronic Boost and EGT Gauges, and Mk4 supra pod. These gauges look SO sweet, they are like normal indiglo blue with red needles. only used about 6 weeks. 325 shipped.

Greddy Full Auto Turbo Timer, the new one, black, installed for about 3 months, perfect, ready to go on your custom turbo setup. 75 shipped.

what you thought we weren't going to order until the end of september? its all good, just in the interest of getting the hood as soon as possible, seeing as after we pay all the money it will be more than 2 months before we get the hood.

shocking good or shocking bad?

the deadline is like probably a week or 2 after we get 15 people, as soon as possible.

i dunno how long that will take, though, to get 15 people... i mean, i could say, the end of august, but we might not have 15 by then, so then we'd have to move the deadline.

2nd gen 3sgte with the IC on top will fit under the stock hood, but the IC will heatsoak immediately. FM is the way to go.