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There may well be an 8th generation Celica (read as: damn well better be *waving fist in the air*), even if its release will be limited to certain territories (I suppose there are always grey imports...?) As for a 250bhp claim for a GT-Four-esque variant that is plenty. A little higher would be nice to show that it's actually progressing beyond the ST-205, but still plenty. Take it too much higher and you're cramping any future Supra's style. Assuming that either a new Celica or Supra will come to pass of course...

Going back to the "Celica/MR2/Toyota are doomed" threads well, I have faith in Toyota. I don't think they'll make a mess of things. Not after all these years of making a name for themselves in the performance car sector. There'll be something to fill the void when the 7GC and MR2 Roadster (MR-S) eventually bow out, it will just be an added bonus (for me at least) if it happens to have a Celica, MR2 or Supra badge on it. But if the worst does come to the worst, nothing can ever take away from the greatness of some of the cars they've given to us over the years...your AW11s, MA70s, ST-185s and 205s, ZZT231s, SW20s, JZA80s and many more besides. They're among my favourite cars and that probably isn't about to change regardless of what Toyota is doing now. As for the future, we're just gonna have to wait and see rather than wildly speculating. We probably won't get it right anyway.

Currently accumulating funds for: a black Celica GT (almost there!)

Personally, I'm not convinced by the announcement. I don't see Toyota choosing to simultaneously kill off the Celica and MR2/S. That's a big risk for them to take. Killing off one series and finding out down the line you were wrong would be costly, never mind two. And there's the possibility of the Supra being left in limbo since nothing I've heard about a new one has struck me as being 100% concrete, though I'm certainly hopeful.

The Celica hasn't been the biggest seller the world has ever seen. It's always been seen as the "individual's choice" and not necessarily the choice of the masses. That said, it's always been very popular with the people who do "get it" and got good reviews. More importantly, the Celica has often been the testing ground for Toyota's latest bit of technology (the most obvious of course being VVTi/VVTLi since they're the most recent). And since it's been around so long you know it's got to have paid its dues with Toyota otherwise it wouldn't have made it to 7 generations. SO DON'T KILL IT OFF!

As for the MR2...Toyota, that sold like hot-cakes that have been recently marked down to half-price, ever since its arrival in the mid-80s. Toyota put exhaustive effort into perfecting the car, the result of which is the MR2 series being viewed as one of their finest technical achievements. Take the SW20. The only reason it stopped selling in the US when it did is because someone decided to discontinue it there. It would've carried on stomping away in the sales figures for ages if it had just been left alone, like it did in other territories. So suddenly terminating the series sounds bizarre.

They might get rid of them, and they might mean forever...right now at least...I've seen statements like that made before in the car industry and the "dead" model often makes a comeback X years later. They might only get rid of them in certain territories, or it might not happen at all. Either way if they do do it, for any period of time, it will certainly be a shame. The 6GC (particularly the ST205) has been my fave car since the generation launched.

Well, that's my 2 cents for what it's worth. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to fill Toyota's Inbox with all the E-mail my fingers can muster, just in case...

Wow Andason, you failed to respond directly to anything I said on any level. Congratulations. Rather than trying to justify your comments in some way or admit that you were unnecessarily harsh you'd prefer to look at my other posts in an attempt to find fault with me. Somehow I knew that's what you'd do, and yet I'd still hoped you might prove me wrong. Now to offer my response to a couple of points you attempted to make...

I'm not new. I'm by no means a founding member of the site, but since I joined at the end of last year I'm not new either.

What an inspired idea...which is probably why I already do. Thanks for the helpful advice though.

Fair enough, I didn't check to see if a similar topic was listed elsewhere as I was short on time this morning. Sue me.

But ultimately, none of this is important. You can make comments about me all you like. It won't bother me. And it won't change the fact that you were out of line.
Besides, if you want to preach the law of the land regarding forum rules, find me where it says it's OK to bad mouth other members and/or their rides. That's the real issue.

Rant over. (Sorry about this to everyone else, and for the post length).

I've never seen ANY newcomer to the site get such a bashing from another member in their opening thread, be they male or female. Well done Andason, what a fantastic message to send out:

"Hey everyone! Come to 6GC.net...there's plenty of abuse for everyone!"

Well done, real smooth. You don't suck up to another member, you just say "Hey, nice car!" if you happen to think that's what it is. If you think it looks less than brilliant or even ugly, you don't rip apart every single thing that person's done to their car, you just don't say anything. Every person's car is their pride and joy and you've gotta respect that.

This might well already be a contender for the longest thread in the world ever, but since seemingly everybody else on the site has said hello, I might as well too. So, welcome to 6gc.net. I hope you like it here as much as I do.

BTW, I like the kandy apple red paintjob. Very nice, I once saw an EVO VII done the same way.

Ha ha ha, I knew it. The problem with stuff like that is that when someone does come along and try to sell a decent product say, via the internet only, the credibility of the product instantly drops to about 0% thanks to all of the internet scams out there.

Thanks for the feedback 97Celica, and indeed the offer of the turbo. I'm not quite ready for that at this stage, I'm currently saving for a late spec GT (preferably black) but thanks anyways. Oh, and good luck with the T-25. Any idea what sort of extra power it'll give your car?

This isn't about 6gc.net itself, but rather an advert that crops up frequently on the site. I'm referring to the Turbonator (http://www.turbonator.com) advert. Anyone know if that's for real? It sounds a little bit iffy. But then so does pretty much everything that gets advertised on the net, even when it's not iffy.

For those of you who don't know they're claiming to be able to "supercharge *any* car. Up to 35 more bhp." They're also claiming improved fuel economy.

Now, I admittedly tend to be somewhat skeptical to begin with so I might be a mile off on this one, but to me this says "Don't touch with a barge pole." But if anyone does know if there's anything to this product or not, feel free to leave feedback.

Hey all, I don't think this topic has been started up anywhere else, but my bad if it has.

The Erebuni 404 body kit is listed as being for '94-'95 Hatchbacks with the original style front bumper. Anyway, I'm interested to know if it could be fit on to a later model GT Hatchback w/the revised bumper. I'm not interested in the front bumper portion of the kit, just the rear skirt and spoiler. I can't see any reason why they wouldn't fit since the dimensions of the Celica remained the same from '94-'99. But if anyone can think of any reasons why it might not work, let me know.

This question might have a slight whiff of n00bish-ness about it so I apologise in advance, but since I have zero experience in fitting body kits, I figured I might as well ask.

Thanks.

Bottom line: The 2ZZGE cannot stand upto the the maximum potential power output of the 3S-GTE. Period. Have you any idea how high you can take a GTE? It's turbo from the off. It's designed for big power. The 2ZZGE is an N/A engine that people just happened to have made turbos for as an aftermarket/custom part. Those two scenarios are just not the same.

Granted, any race between any 2 cars is partially dependant on to what degree both cars have been tuned but if we're talking an extreme 6gc Vs. an extreme example of a 7gc, I just don't see the 7th gen winning. Stock GTE's can be anything upto 255bhp (depending on the car they came out of, generation of engine, what territory you're in blah, blah, blah). If you can take 2ZZGE upto 255bhp, I'd say you're onto a pretty good thing. The JDM spec GTE from the ST-205 STARTS there. I've seen the lower UK spec (235bhp) taken to well over 400bhp. I don't know exactly what a JDM engine would run to. I know traction is an issue for both cars, being FF, so you wouldn't want to go to those power levels in either (Well, I wouldn't, save that for the GT-Four.) But you get the idea.

Now don't think for one minute I'm dissin' 7gcs cos I'm not. I like all Celicas and a helluva lot of other Toyotas/general Jap performance cars besides. So I don't want to stir up any animosity, both are cool cars and as fellow lovers of Toyota we should all just get along. I'm just voicing my opinion, that's all.

P.S. 6th gen Celicas aren't that heavy ya know.....

What you've got to remember is that the road version of the GT-Four is essentially the rally machine. In the world of rallying, no one gives a rat's ass about top speed. There's no point in having a 200mph limit when you never get to use it since in WRC you have to slow right down every few hundred yards to negotiate difficult corners. The only thing that matters is that you can accelerate like a demon and corner like there's no tomorrow. To reflect this, pretty much all rally-derived cars are limited to somewhere around the 150mph mark and have their gearing biased towards acceleration, not top speed.

That isn't to say that the ST-205 isn't fast, I don't think anyone would suggest that. It's a heck of a car and with the right parts I'm sure would accelerate like it's rear end was on fire. But you have to be realistic, you're never going to get 200mph+ out of it. It's not a straight-line sprinter. That's what Supras are for. The GT-Four is meant to be a supreme all-rounder, and that it's very good.

Besides, it depends where you're racing your friend and his GT2. If it's on the road, then unless he's mad he won't reach his potential top speed, meaning you'd have a chance. (My apologies about the length of this post, everyone.)

As far as I know, as long as we're only talking celi's from territories that use the 3S-GE (and I assume you are talking about that since that was the most powerful naturally-aspirated engine offered with the 6th gen Celica/2nd gen MR2), then a GT is pretty much a GT. The only difference would be if you were comparing a late spec JDM GT because that would have the BEAMS VVTi version of the 3S-GE engine, giving around 20 more horses (Celicas outside of Japan never got the VVTi treatment). But since you haven't specified that your celi is japanese, and is a '94 I doubt that would apply here. The gearing may be setup slightly differently on your import, leaning slightly more towards acceleration but I personally have my doubts.

The only time I've really heard of any real difference between UK and JDM spec is with the GT-Four (ST-205). The UK version has 235bhp whereas the Jap one has around 250-255bhp.

I hope that answers your question. To the best of my knowledge, everything mentioned above is accurate.

Thanks gh0st_d0g for your feedback, it's greatly appreciated. The idea of a 2ZZGE swap was something that just popped into my head and I wondered if anyone had tried it.

I know that the 3S-GTE swap is the most obvious choce but I'm trying to stay away from that. If I get a GTE I'll feel tempted to do an out-and-out power tune up on it, which isn't totally advisable on an FF car even with tyre/suspension upgrades. Besides that, I might feel that I'm driving a "wannabe" since actual GT-Fours, whilst obviously more expensive, aren't particularly difficult to find for sale over here. I'd prefer to have one or the other, but that's just me.

I do however want to feel as I'm getting the most out of the GT, which is why I like the suggestion of the BEAMS 3S-GE. The only concern I have about that is that I've heard it requires high octane fuel to get the most from it, and I have no idea what octane the fuel is here in the UK. Anyone know whether this would be a problem or not...?

Thanks in advance for any light you can shed on the subject.

Man, that's one extreme GT-Four. The highest I've ever seen one taken until now is about 460bhp

Hey guys, I'm from the UK and have a question...

Do any of you know if anyone has tried to swap the already cool 174bhp 3S-GE engine from the 6th gen GT for the more powerful 189bhp 2ZZGE from the 7th gen GT-S, and whether or not it would work.

Because if it would work, it would make big HP gains very easy. Not necessarily cheap, what with the engine swap and all...but easy. For example (and I can only speak for what's available here in the UK) you can simply bolt on a Blitz Supercharger and hey presto, you've got a 2ZZGE that turns out 260 horses.

Any idea if it would work? The only thing I'm not sure about is if the VVTLi would get in the way of it working. But then, on saying that the Lotus Elise (an already hardcore machine) was recently made more extreme by putting the 2ZZGE in it's ultra-lightweight body after Lotus bought some of the engines off Toyota, and that worked out fine.

One UK site off the top of my head for anyone who wants to take a look: http://www.fensport.co.uk (UK Toyota Tuning Specialists)

Cool site, btw. Every1 keep flyin' the flag for the 6th gen Celica!

Thanks for the feedback guys, it's been most useful. I never realised the BEAMS spec. engine was import only. I think I'll give the subject some thought before I make any decisions. But thanks again.

Oh, and Happy New Year!

First of all, hello to everyone. I'm new to the site and so far I like what I see.

I'm from England and looking to buy a 6th gen Celica GT (3S-GE). The only thing I'm not sure on is whether I should grab one with VVTi or without. Whichever I eventually pick, I want to tune it to get the best performance I can. I like the idea of the VVTi model because it sounds like the flashier version of the two cars, but I don't know if it having VVTi will limit the extent to which I can tune the car. Will the prescence of VVTi restrict which performance parts I can use on the car, and how much I can fiddle with these, or the stock parts?

I've had a brief look at some 6th gen Celica parts on the market and the phrase "to fit the version without VVTi" cropped up quite a few times, which is what made me think of posting this topic. Any feedback you can offer on this subject would be greatly appreciated.