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superstrut and McPherson subframes are different
superstrut: 51201-20310
McPherson: 51201-20300

the only difference I am aware of is the steering rack brackets are located differently, the subframe share the same chassis mounting points so as its a lower bar id reckon it will fit as it would most likely work of these mounting points but the subframes are not identical.

are they still being made?

agree with this... I find people put down the 3sgte becuse they simply have very little understanding of it and experience with it and are afraid of working with it, the lack of parts is also a big factor most people just want off the shelf goodies!.

I love the design, and attention to the small details, also the fact you kept the water to air system , the power curve is really nice too.. you any further modifications you plan to make to the set up or it worked out perfect for you?

Amazing build!! congrats lad!

€7500 over a year and a half for car,parts and paint for rebuild from ground up all done by myself to save money

One report i read stated the studio will 100% not go down that route out of respect and the fact that they would have alot of scenes they would have to record with cgi

yea i like it.. i was looking into the 5sfe for a conversion in the future.. it seems like the "better" method, will be a overall better performance from the 5sgte less lag and more torque, they are getting rare over here too.. great job on the bumper lad.. im loving this build!

It may be a fuel issue but check the voltage of the car when idling i had 2 of these doing this and it was not charging at idle and the battery was struggling to keep the car running.

my conversion (copied from my build trend in another form)
st202 wishbone with Polish bushes
st202 drop links.. (after working on a carlos a while back wondering will the st185 drop link fit? and same dimensions? i need to check this out)Updatewill be fitting Polish drop links when due replacig
st202 balljoint the size of the casting seems to differ in manufacters so some will be tighter than others some just wont fit with the full sized disc in oem fitting position
St202 front strut casing with koni inserts and st202 shock top and st182 spring rubbers( Springs will be changed back to St205 Oem or st205 trd
St205 caliper with mounting point machined to help mounting surface contact and allow disc clearance inside of caliper
1mm spacer made up to fit inside disc to help clear balljoint
st202 hub with the brackets threaded and custom grade 11 bolts(iirc they are same grade as oem anyway) made up so there is a shank that fits inside the st205 caliper hole so it has a good snug fit..., the st202 hub uses the same wheel bearing as the st205 so was happy with that.. i am also using st202 abs sensors,
st205 subframe
st202 ARB with Polish Arb bushings
st205 steering rack with modified st205 inner and outer tie rods
st205 disc reduced to 304mm diameter (would suggest going 1mm or 2mm smaller at this was slightly rubbing the retaining clip fro brake pad pins.
here are the pics

I have more if needed the bolts are grade m14x1.25mm grade 11

here is a picture of 2 different brand of brake pads as you can see one has less material that the other and is also lower placed on the backing plate

are the subaru discs not 295mm and 297mm? i will probably replace mine again with machined st205 discs but if i wasn't i am looking at Volvo discs 302mm diameter and 26mm thickness? even 296 supra discs?, Volkswagen Caravelle models have a 300mm vented disc

302mm will work also that what i have on my car well its act slightly larger but 302mm works well in mine..(mine are reduced st205 discs) , I would be wary of the pads you choose to use also as some have the braking material located differently on the backing plate and this can have you braking surface of the pad coming out over the top of the disc. have you looked into Vw discs they easily available to you over there? some of those are 300mm, Subaru seem to be the most common for this conversion

I can post pictures of my conversion of the Gt-four brakes on the st202 hubs if you like?

having a standalone Ecu is only worthwhile if you have someone good to map it, I can see pros and cons in the standalone Ecu it can be better customised to your car and fuel available to it and add extra features like launch control.. i have seen claims of better fuel mpg but alot of this depends on the mapper. the standalone ecu will not be as variable/smooth under certain conditions unless mapped to it i.e running in extreme atmosphere temperatures i have heard of cases when temps drop to extreme colds cars wont run due to the map not being able to compensate for this but would run with stock ecu. id do alot of research and look at your needs..

I have the stock 205 brakes directly mounted onto the hub using 305mm diameter machined st205 discs, the stock brakes have well enough stopping power, plus i wanted to keep the 16 inch rims... i have both a superstrut and Mcpherson st205.. and I prefer the McPherson setup personally i think it depends on the road surfaces the SS likes smooth roads like motorways surfaces where the McPherson setup is still good on these surfaces i rate the McPherson setup better on less perfect roads, but it depends on driver style and the rest or the car setup. the Mcpherson set up suffers more when lowered than the SS

i have used Yokohama ice guards on a st202 and were amazing!!
and verdstein snowtrac 3s on the st205... i love these tyres!!

I have these here and going to fit them to one of my st205s in the morning the other one I have is converted to McPherson so hope to do a comparison test afterwords
I was in the very workshop these were made while travelling Europe this summer and the lads who did them are great lads and very professional I was very happy with them and with the price they are selling for I can see the McPherson conversions become less common over here. their poly bushings they use are harder than OEM but not rock solid they are perfect in my opinion as they improve the handling without making it too hard that it is undriveable.

Hi I have a st205 gt4 which i have converted to Mcpherson and from Ireland, sorry If im mistaken iv been trying to follow this and correct me if im wrong you a fitting the superstrut system into your McPherson built cars? the opposite to what i have done haha, just to point out that there is a difference in the subframes for a McPherson and Super strut system the mounting brackets for the steering rack itself are welded in different positions this may be part of the problem for your clearance issues.

Will the st205 springs fit the st202 mcpherson? i know spring rates will be different

any of these left?

cheers for the reply
hmm any idea of what may be different? i have access to st182, st202 st205 just no st185 celicas i can get near.. and dont want to buy them just to find out they are of no use!

Hi all!
bit of a odd question.. iv heard that a st185 strut will bolt up to a st202 hub? anyone confirm this? the reason i am asking im building a st205 and converted it to Mcphersion suspension.. Iv replaced all the front and rear bushes with poly bushings (not the roller bearing ones in the rear tho!) new drop links front and rear,new brake shoes, new pads and discs front and rear, new wheel bearings, whiteline adjustable rear arb etc.. so the rest of the suspension is in top nick, my concern is that the front st202 struts are going to be abit too soft.., I plan on getting coilovers in the future.. any help would be great..

Cheers