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Currently have the Celica Rally A2W intercooler and St205 pump for sale. Intercooler is modified to recieve 2.5 inch piping on inlet and outlet. They are both in great shape and the pump has very low mileage when I got it and I put about 3k miles on it since I have had it.
Asking 350obo shipped for both...
Please email me at Mr2swift@aol.com if interested.







Thanks,
Ron

Ok it has been sometime that I have really been apart of this forum but more and more this forum reminds me of how the Mr2 message boards started and you guys are trully evolving and learning well from each other . I especially like to see the 4agze in cars because it is my favorite and is what I covet. So much so I have developed an upgraded s/c kit for the 4agze capable of getting us over the 300whp hump on stock internals! It is also adjustable and will bolt on a 7agze as well.


Ron

Since you are on the East Coast it makes better since to use Jarco. Just make sure you get compression on all four before you buy. Motors Unlimited has two in stock but since we are in California I think the price would work out to be about the same and my two are not in PRESTINE condition which is what I prefer to send out of state.


Ron

Nik those are enormous numbers! What type of boost level do you expect to see those power levels at and at what rpm? Can't wait to see those numbers as 7ag forced induced dyno plots are not widespread.
Great effort indeed!


Ron

The dyno operator is constantly starting my dyno kind of late. Next dyno will surely have the session start earlier in the rpm range. Yes I think I have a bit more tuning to do especially since I backed the timing down up top to 18 degrees. I have heard many running 23-28 degrees up top with no detonation. Of course every engine is different, but I feel I have some room to play with timing and fuel wise. I wanted to make a Twincrew kit for the 5sfe as well and still have the mock up engine, but it seemed as if people would rather opt for the 3sgte swap so I scrapped the project. Amazing torque output your 5sfe is making by the way.

Ron

whats the specs on the 7agze and whats it going into? corrola ,mr2, celica?


7agze in an Mr2 with stock US 4agze pistons, stock rods cryogened & modified to full floating, 7afe stock head gasket, large port 4agze head and manifold. I know the stockers are thin, but I have been waiting to see how week they really are if they are so week. 200rwhp has been proven to last so 250rwhp is about the limits I am willing to push them to. Oh and the blower is rated at 400hp which is nice. Here is my last dyno untuned. I hope to get to the dyno by the end of the week or next week to get it tuned. The 4agze is a beast with the Twinscrew and this is with the smaller unit so the Bigger Blower and 7agze should be a real nice combo.






Ron

You guys make some good points but don't forget about the Twinscrew supercharger. I like to call it the supercharger and turbo. Gives you supercharger power down low and turbo power up high. Here is a dyno plot at 14psi on a stock internal small port 4agze. We have a bigger blower fitted to a 7agze that we will dyno soon.






Ron

[quote=K-ESD,Oct 29, 2005 - 4:45 AM]
IMO, for that price, i'd rather get a 96-99 with a slightly better looking front end and most importantly PROJECTORS !!

Make no mistake, the TRUE value will never be projectors or body paneling. The cleaner and lower mileage of the engine, the better for the person who ends up with it as a projector and bumper can be replaced no problem. Secondly, the brakes are of the HIGHEST value in Japan and Europe. I am Certain no one has sold there front clip with brakes. They are the first thing missing even before the engine.

So with body paneling, brakes, A2W intercooler with undamaged heat exchanger (hard to find), All lights, Rear differential and rear shaft, with Prestine condition engine with Perfect compression across the board and free shipping. It would be much easier to sell everything seperate for more profit which is what EVERY importer does. Thought it would be interesting to offer everything. I think I will not bring them in as complete as It does cost a pretty coin to bring them in like this and makes for more work. I am shocked that there is way more interest from Europe to purchase everything while here in the states everyone wants to me to seperate parts. Really would like to see someone get everything as a whole, but I think for the future I will bring them in less complete to save on costs.

JGreening thanks for the kind words and yes it is a Motors Unlimited clip.

Ron

Brakes alone are about a 800-1k dollar setup. Brakes are always sold seperately hence the 4 to 4500 dollar range. Keep in mind the price is shipped as well.

Seems as if you guys like St205's clips to be clean, complete, and to have everything.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...item=8010021224

Im with defgeph, you should be just fine with the stock Gt trans and a hybrid clutch. The trick is do not slam it in gear speed shifting at redline all the time as that will wear it out rather quick. Have fun, but take it easy. There are many 250+ to the wheel hp/tq daily drivers using n/a transaxles. Its not the toughest but if you take it easy it will do just fine. Mr2 93 plus Lsd trans would be the best route in my opinion but not a MUST have.

Ron

Please give us a call or send us an email. I like to discuss the details at length so you know exactly what you are getting. Also, I am selling two clips so I am not for sure as to which one you are reffering to.

Thanks
Ron (951) 283-3778
Motors Unlimited

Yes it does have projectors.

Thanks
Ron (951) 283-3778
Motors Unlimited

I would like to sell everything as a package and not seperate anything. Creis, please give me a call to discuss the details and shipping to your location. I do not like to post prices on the web as every clip that we have varies in price as well as shipping to a given location.

Thanks
Ron (951) 283-3778
Motors Unlimited

I have had a few people ask me to start posting to the forums when St205 or St185's pop up. Well I have one of each in stock. St205 is VERY complete with no damage to the front heat exchanger. Front bumper and hood are in good shape but no fenders. St185 has no body parts and it also has undamaged front heat exchanger. Both front clips include EVERYTHING needed to convert your non turbo Celica to Jdm turbo. Shipping anywhere in the US including Hawaii. Please give us a call if you have questions as I do not frequent these forums often.

Thank you
Ron (951) 283-3778
Motors Unlimited

What parts are you missing? Email me at MotrsUnlimited@aol.com

Ron

Top 2 are coolant lines and the other 2 are vacuum lines in which what ever needs vacuum you can use. By no means are they detrimental and a plug will suffice if you can't find any use for them. I believe the one on the left is used for the a/c idle up.


Ron

Curious to know what version 4agze this is. I would love to be of any assistance with wire diagrams or spare parts in case there is anything missing. I would gladly exchange parts for a detailed forum write up as it is vital information for the community so please let me know if I can assist.

Ron (951) 283-3778
Motors Unlimited

Stock trans should handle just fine as long as you do not abuse it everytime you shift. Remember, Ray halls 20valve 7agte ran and to my knowledge is still running the N/a Mr2 trans rated at 112hp! Just depends on how aggressive you get on it. As for the tranny bolting on with all motor mounts included in the swap is a grey area. My experience with Toyota says yes, but the question is what combo will need to be used. Example is do you need to use the 4agze trans mount or the 7afe trans mount. Will you need to use the 4agze trans mount bracket or the 7afe bracket and with the bracket you choose, will you use the ze trans mount with it or the 7a trans mount? This is the area in which one will have to give feedback during a swap so that we can all get a clear understanding of the right combonation in case it does not line up when installed. Being that it is an A series engine I believe there will be no major issues as I have yet to see major issues while transplanting any A or S series configuration with its chassis counterpart. For example when doing a 4agze swap on an 85-86 mr2, the 4agze trans will not clear the suspension unless you use the 85-86 trans mount bracket. On the 87-89 it works just fine. What we have found with the A series and S series is it is really close if not right on and to get it right on, the right combonation may need to be utilized. Kind of like you need to use the Gt motor mounts in an St to get the 3sgte and drive train to work. Hope that make since.


Ron (951) 283-3778
Motors Unlimited

3sgte will yeild the greater gains for certain. Here is something everyone should know about the 2nd gen 3sgte from the Celica. It is now very hard to bring in a good conition 2nd gen Celica. There are more 2nd gen Mr2's available which gives one a better chance of getting a 2nd gen 3sgte in better shape. But the bottom line is you are looking at an engine that almost NEVER will come into the states on stock boost. MOST 3sgte's in the Celica have ran more then stock boost and are now 12-15 years old. Folks, that equals not alot of Prestine 2nd gen Celicas going around and from what I have seen ALOT of Celica clips and engines coming in from the states are just beat to crap physically. Now that does not meant it will not have good compression, but it is wise to completely recondition the 2nd gen 3sgte from the Celica. It is very possible to come across a low mileage clean one, but they are becoming harder and harder to bring in in this fashion.

Ae101 4agze's are made from 92-96 and interesting enough most will come in on stock boost as most have not overspin the blower resulting in the condition of the engine not run as hard as the boosted 3sgte. This is a fact folks and I would love to debate it if anyone wishes to. Bottom line in my opinion is either go 3rd gen 3sgte or deal with a reputable importer if they offer you a 2nd gen 3sgte as it is hard to find them in good shape. Remember, drifting and road racing is the norm in Japan and therefor Celicas get road raced pretty good.

Ron

If I get a 2nd gen 3sgte in desirable shape I will let the list know.

Thanks

Well for starters I did not try and sell anyone in this thread anything. In fact, I have not had a 4agze front clip in stock for sometime now. I have had a few ask if I had it available but I have not had any in for sometime so when you say I am here to make a sell is very misleading. In fact, I have had probably 5 times more 3sgte front and rear clips then 4agze front and rear clips.

As for wiring, you are going to rewire NO MATTER WHAT you swap into your celica unless its a replacement engine. With that said, 2nd gen 3sgte's will have a different wire scheme then a 3rd gen 3sgte. In fact, unless you get a 3rd gen 3sgte, then your wiring will be noticably different on a 6th gen Celica.

There are schematics at several different web pages for the 4agze. You can get them from club 4ag, Mr2 message boards, and heck I have a diagram as well so I am a bit confused when you say there are no diagrams.

I have no quarell, but when you said whoever told you to go 4agze doesn't know wtf they are talking about and to get advise from someone else leads me to believe you might not know what you are talking about and therfore you are negating options for the St owners.

Here is a quick break down for the St owners as I know it. If you are going to go with a 3sgte, the 7afe transmission is questionable in my opinion. Jumping about 100ftlbs+ torque might not last to long. Now I want to stress that it is up to the driver as you can pound the heck out of the stock trans with the stock motor and blow it and therfore you will be that much closer to failure on a higher output engine like the 3sgte so if you choose to keep your stock 7a trans just take it easy and you might never have any problems. With that said, I believe the consensus is to get the Lsd trans from an Mr2. Okay, well that is an additional 600-1k dollars added to the project not to mention you have to modify the shifter linkage because the Mr2 shifter linkage is on the opposite side. So now your 2500 dollar 3sgte project has just jumped to 3500 and we have not tackled parts to freshen your engine up. The 4agze is from a Corolla which is front engine mounted and therefor shifter linkage modification is non existant AND it comes with the front clip. Ease of bolting your engine and drivetrain up is the most important aspect all future swap owners should be looking for as you are going to rewire regardless. So to me, modification and or fabrication is what most novices like us are trying to avoid.

If ones budget could not suffice a 3sgte then the 4agze is readily available for about 1k less after its all said and done. Its obvious the 3sgte has more potential for bigger hp numbers but not everyone likes turbo. Some people like s/ced cars and some people like to be different then you. With that said the 4agze/7agze option is a cheaper way to get toyota OEM forced induced power and if you want to modify the 4agze it is well equipped to handle it as long as you tune it properly if you are pushing ample ponies.

Finally, you will rewire a 2nd gen 3sgte, 3rd gen 3sgte, 4age, and 4agze. The same number of wires will have to be interfaced with your existing efi to get it to start no matter what swap you choose. The beauty of Toyota is when you open up the Jdm ecu's EVERY SINGLE PIN IS MARKED! That means if you have a diagram of your ecu pinouts it makes interfacing that much easier. Not here to give you a hard time or to make a sell, as I am a Toyota enthusist who has and will always give back to the Toyota community and I love to talk Toyota swaps and just Toyota talk, don't you?

Ron (951) 283-3778
Motors Unlimited

I have told a few people to go the 4agze route as it is a BOLT ON for the St model owners and they also do not have to modify the tranny to get it to work. Not to mention the trans has Lsd. In addition the 4agze can be easily modified and is reasonably priced. I would love to run my 4agze against your 3sgte, or better yet, lets see your dyno plots and I will show you mine and then compare the price of the swap. I'm quite confident with the ability of the 4agze and the real beauty is the st owers can also go 7agze or 7agte in the blink of an eye.

Finally, you should not use such language or make comments if you are not 100% for sure that you know what you are talking about.

Ron

That is a darn good point, and I have noticed throught my short membership here that you make very good points. You do not just want to throw an engine in without freshing it up a bit. However there are a few and I mean a few exceptions to the rule and that is a super low mileage late model engine like a 3rd gen 3sgte. Even though it has super low mileage it is still highly advisable to at minimum change the clutch.

I can get you a Rc 3sgte engine and transmission for 1400 shipped. I think we have a pretty good reputation in the Toyota community. You can look us up on the Mr2 message boards and Xcars classifieds for references. I am assuming you already have an altrac correct?


Ron (951) 283-3778
Motors Unlimited