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awesome! sounds like everyone is doing well! congrats on the front page featured ride, car looks great!

Sorry to hear you sold your car, I remember you were starting to have some issues with it about the time I kinda disappeared, I bet that was a sad day that it left.

That sucks to hear you aren't autocrossing anymore I don't have a car either since I sold the MR2, but I codrove my buddies WRX in STX last season and was competitive in both national events I competed in. I ended up out of the trophies both events with poor second days (was in the trophies after day 1 both events, than just fell apart... such is racing) I will be getting my own autocross car this summer in hopes to continue to be competitive nationally. This year I plan on being at the Toledo Prosolo and maybe the Peru National Tour along with the Detroit Regionals... I MAY make it out to nationals in Topeka but based on finances it is highly doubtful this season.

Are you going into the Airforce Academy or just into the Airforce? my parents moved out to colorado at the end of last summer and live not far from the Academy. I will actually be out in CO at then end of this month. I love that area. Airforce sounds pretty awesome! good luck!

As far as my job I am extremely excited about, I start next month in the light vehicles advanced suspension group. My primary projects are adaptive damping systems and active air suspensions.

All is definitely well how are you doin these days?

Status Update: got rid of my MR2 after the 2006 auto-x season, coincidentally I got engaged around the same time and will be getting married over the summer. I am graduating this spring and start my new job next month. Very busy!

Heyyy, hows it goin, car still looks good! obviously quite a bit more power down 2 years later haha

yaaaa, I am actually on my last trip out of town right now with my current job before I leave and start my new one next month. Sitting here bored thinking about how the last 4 years have gone by sooo fast got me thinking about this site again... looks like its been about 2 years since I've been on here... damn.

Looks like the site is still doing well any of you old timers still have your vehicles? what you all up to these days?

responding to malpaso's #3

what i'm getting at really doesnt partain to exterior or styling modifications because those are done for show and everyone has their own style and personality... what im talking about is performance modifications and understanding why and how they are helping your performance.

ok cool, i must have misunderstood what exactly you were getting at with what you were saying. anyway this topic seems to be kinda heading toward a good discussion. continue

if you want to debate it more we can use PM or IM, the topic isnt really about debating if the forum will change or not, debating it wont help one way or the other.

yea. take out the pads, spray the brake quiet or "brake lube" to the BACK of the pad (part that sits against the caliper) let it dry or whatever the stuff says to do (usually it is reinstalled sticky if it is the brake quiet stuff) then put it back in the caliper.

the point is to challenge the community to change, not condemn it for being monotonous in its approach.


"Well they won't change if they're not willing to do research for themselves and become more educated. Some would much rather have the answers spoon-fed to them instead of looking for it themselves."

so you're saying it's a fact that no one will change, eh?

the point is to challenge the community to change, not condemn it for being monotonous in its approach. lots of things have changed on this board since it was first opened, it is my feeling this is the next step to becoming a more educated and informational driven board.

ya, i know what you are saying. i would like to keep the topic away from the "I do this" type of thing, i realize with a topic title like " A Challenge to the community" it can come off a bit attacking... i dont feel anyone needs to defend themselves as i am not trying to be specific to anyone or group of members etc... the post is just to put the idea out there to have people really question how and why things work the way they work (or dont) before posting about it. I guess its just the engineer/technical part of me that doesnt take fact for fact unless i understand why it is, and it seems that theres a common theme of posting that is false or misleading because the poster doesnt understand that part of it, and instead of the question being posed, it just is another person accepting it as fact instead of figuring out the reasoning behind it.

rubbin's racin'

I was originally worried about posting this as I thought it would be taken the wrong way but man I am glad I put it up. It seems you guys really got the jist well as to what i am trying to put out there with a few little things that I can see I was not completely clear about and maybe posed in the wrong way.

From celicast3sgte:
"well its not like he is trying to say anyone here is stupid or should never post. its more of a think before you speak kind of thing. If you had an experience relating to the topic then post your experience and what you did to fix it. But what he is saying that if you do that don't preach that the way you solved it is THE way to solve it."

and from CelicaGT04:
“But i see no reason what so ever, that a person who is a member of this forum to not be able to express what they THINK would be correct. If they are wrong, who cares? Yeah maybe some people who are WELL educated can correct them, but this forum is for learnging purposes.”

since these are both commenting on the same topic I'll respond to both at once. The idea of my comment

"its one thing to post to discuss it, but when you are posting "as fact" you need to make sure your facts are correct. In my honest to god opinion it would be beneficial for a good portion of the forum's members to stop posting for a while and go read a few automotive and/or engineering books"

the situations I am eluding to aren't with people giving options or opinions to help people with issues, it's more or less with things being posted "as fact". For example; you need this, or you have to do this, or you are going to break this or the opposite (you cant, dont, or wont) or this is better than that etc... These types of things can be cleared up that they are infact incorrect by having a basic or mid level technical understanding of why and how something works or does what it does. My general gist of this is that if you dont have a decent understanding of how and why then why comment on something you dont know much more about than the person posing the question. That way, when people search for things, they don't find incorrect information. Hopefully that clears up the confusion about me telling people not to post, i just meant don't post answers if you don't really know enough about a subject... or if you want to be helpful help them look up the answer, its incredibly easy to find information on the internet but it's just as easy to find incorrect info... thats what im trying to get away from.



from purplegt4
"QUOTE(boosted_K2 @ Sep 25, 2006 - 2:35 PM) *

One thing that really bewilders me is suspension modification. Why do you spend money on body braces and sway bars and fender braces.


i have sway bars, damper kit, & nice street tires. i love twistys.

woot.gif for curvy roads!

and btw this is from YOUR profile boosted...

"am learning more and more about the sport everyday, if you are interested in getting into motorsports I am more than happy to point you in the right direction!""


honestly i love this post haha it gave me a big smile
what im getting at is theres a vast majority of people do these modifications for different reasons... most typically spirited street driving, for show, and the occasional autocrosser/open track racer. though it doesnt really partain to show (you gotta have all the goods to do well at a show so w/e) but for typical street driving how do you know what your car needs to perform better? a common misconception i am getting at is that all these parts are needed to make your car handle better. it just strikes me as crazy that people do all these crazy suspension mods and spend thousands of dollars, then dont even get their car aligned afterward, they just take it out for a spin around the block and comment how much better it feels... what is a "feel" anyway? does it turn in harder? hold a tighter radius around a turn? does it feel balanced? hows it "feel" is more than just a good or bad answer as everyone likes their car setup differently. It just seems so crazy that people would buy parts and equipment because its "good"... there needs to be something more qualitative than that. I think i am just rambling on this topic again so im done unless someone else wants to comment, or if you want to chat suspensions IM me, they are my new found fetish.... and also one of the things i know the least about haha


yes, i am learning more and more about the sport and the modification process each day. that profile was last updated well over a year ago but it still rings true, ive been fortunate enough through school, racing, and experience working on cars to have learned a tremendous ammount. Every day i feel like a total idiot when i get to class or talk to my friends who have graduated or chat with accomplished people in the automotive and racing field. I love it, and I love feeling dumb, it means I am still learning and it makes me incredibly humble, I learned that trying to fudge knowledge is no way to learn, admiting when you dont know something is the best and quickest way to find out about it.

just because they are "fixed and NON adjustable" doesnt mean they cant be set, you can use the play in the bolts between the knuckle and damper to "adjust" the camber. my MR2 has the same fixed rear layout and when i reinstalled my driverside rear suspension i maxed the camber out to ~4 degrees negative camber... the other side was set to 1.5. whenever you loosen/remove these bolts you should get the alignment fixed.

did you attempt to get the car realigned after installing the new suspension? chances are the pillowball mounts were not needed to achieve the type of alignment you would want. Usually pillowball mounts are best used for quick onsite adjustments and are not necessarily needed to achive a proper alignment.

Personally I have become increasingly agitated at the amount of people posting incorrect information and unbackable claims... its one thing to post to discuss it, but when you are posting "as fact" you need to make sure your facts are correct. In my honest to god opinion it would be beneficial for a good portion of the forum's members to stop posting for a while and go read a few automotive and/or engineering books or hell... even for the laziest of people, go over to howstuffworks.com or wikipedia.com and just start searching automotive related topics that you "THINK" you know about, they dumb it down so much anyone can understand it, but its technical enough to give you a much better understanding.... I challenge all of you to do it and come back with certifiable evidence to have intelligent conversations with each other, and hopefully make me feel like an idiot at some point and prove me wrong. I am not saying I know everything (hell, I don’t have a clue on a lot of things, I usually just say I don’t have a clue instead of making **** up), I'm not saying there aren’t any good or informative topics on here (skimming through a lot of the FI forum proves that), but just in general I feel this would be beneficial.

My other challenge is to understand WHY you are doing a certain modification. One thing that really bewilders me is suspension modification. Why do you spend money on body braces and sway bars and fender braces... how is that cost justified? If you are doing it for the look or the show of the part then fine I can’t have any disagreement with that. But IMO people need to start asking "what am I trying to accomplish with my setup" before they start part shopping. Save yourself the time and money by formulating a plan before attacking.

Ok, my rants over, thanks for reading.

ah gotcha, so many bands with similar names lol

buckstone cherry? do you mean buckcherry? they sing crazy bitch and a few other good songs.

i HATE how so much of alternative has gotten so whiney, ugh its so annoying. I liked hinder's blue jeans or w/e but everything else is so freaking whiney and complaining.

im still pissed i missed the Tool concert last friday.

yupp, one of the main benifits of WAIC is it minimizes piping and lag

ya the grattan event was a lot of fun... unfortunatly it also resparked my desire to drive something with more power, it sucked ending up mid-pack on index and watching all these guys that i regularly beat end up higher on the index b/c they run higher powered cars.

oh well, the MR2 is taking next year off regionally as i codrive this car:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlxOZxyFjDM...ted&search=

my friend brad's 05 STX prepped WRX

i will probably use the MR2 next year for divisional and national events since it is better sorted and more competitive for its class.

last weekend's detroit region SCCA "bring on nationals!" event

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwA8Y0Yez_M

my 4th and fastest raw time run had +1 cone, i ended up second and am now in a 3 way battle for the season championship, 1 event left, about .5 seconds seperates 1st from 3rd.

usually when people dream about buying a vehicle they dont dream practically or rationally... usually the thought is "well id just get this one and id keep my current car as a daily driver" so practicality is usually a moot point when you are dreaming the other thought is the STi and EVO are pretty practical rides the only negative is their harsh ride, most of us are used to extremely harsh rides with modified suspensions and such so it doesnt matter too much.

no they cant, you would need to find a vehicle that utilizes 114.3 lug pattern with the same spline design as your current vehicle... if you are interested in going this route, check the mk2 MR2s, i donno if the spline is the same size... BTW, you will want REAR mr2 hubs for the front

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...in_page_id=1770

god why hasnt ANYONE told this kid what happens with 95% of minor traffic infractions.

you go to court, cop shows up. he calls you in the hall. you speak with him being nice etc and he does the same to you. he offers you a reduced ticket, usually impeding traffic. you pay the total sum of $100 and no points or penalties are assesed to your record or insurance. game over, 100 bucks, you are going to pay more for legal advice from a lawyer, and if you are going in there with the attitude that you are getting away scott-free you will be disappointed.