Oct 20, 2006 - 8:41 AM | Forum: Engine/Transmission/Maintenance · Post Preview: #494061 · Replies: 10 · Views: 2,511 |
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QUOTE(Bigmeanbulldog55 @ Oct 19, 2006 - 11:59 PM) [snapback]493990[/snapback] QUOTE(coldbluesteel @ Oct 19, 2006 - 10:01 PM) [snapback]493889[/snapback] QUOTE(SinisterWhisper @ Oct 19, 2006 - 9:54 PM) [snapback]493884[/snapback] I don't know, 4a sitting back and low in the bay would be better for handling. If I went rwd that's what I'd do, but truth is it won't happen. (money isn't really the issue, just I am moving to an apartment so no place to work ![]() The 4a is just so under powered. You will have less power on a RWD than a FWD after drive train loss. I would buy a rusted out Corolla with the 4age, and use it's parts. Put the 4age head on a 7afe, and get yourself a 7age, then turbo that. 7agte, I love this motor combo. You don't see it much. If you go clear down to the frame, it shouldn't be to bad. Cut out the Corolla rear, and just weld it in place. I know it's more complicated that just "welding it in." But you get the idea. I'm excited to try my 1 off project one day. I don't know if I'll choose the Celica as the platform, but whatever I do, it's going to be fun. EDIT: As of tonight, my project would be a Subaru Justy with a 1.6 Suzuki Esteem motor turn into DOHC with a G13 head, and then turboed. It would be a 1700lbs AWD 200hp car. Sounds like fun to me. it would be more expensive to buy the rusted out corolla. the reason few go with 7ag is because the reason for swapping heads is the better flow and high rpm capibilties of the 4age head, but the 7a bottom end can't really take revving, so its basically wasted unless you build the 7a bottom. and cutting out the corolla rear? you are aware that its a 4 link solid axle right? not IRS. |
Jul 20, 2006 - 4:55 PM | Forum: Engine/Transmission/Maintenance · Post Preview: #458701 · Replies: 20 · Views: 5,096 |
Enthusiast Joined Apr 15, '06 From Plano, Tx Currently Offline ![]() |
QUOTE(Kwanza26 @ Jul 20, 2006 - 8:01 AM) [snapback]458516[/snapback] QUOTE(Rexasaurus @ Jul 20, 2006 - 6:15 AM) [snapback]458461[/snapback] actually. if i remember correctly, bluetop head mated to the 7afe yields ~10:1 compression ratio. but if you really want to build a good motor you might as well match the 4age head by using 4age pistons and get some higher compression You remember incorrectly. The 7AFE's stock pistons are dished and yield only 9:5 compression on the narrower, smaller 7AFE combustion chamber... the stock bigport pistons are flat and yield 9:4 compression... so if you put a head designed to make 9:4 compression with flat pistons with pistons that are dished... you make significantly less compression. Easy way to see it... the 7AFE has a much smaller compression surface on the head, so the dishes in the pistons serve also as partial combustion chambers. The 4AGE does this entirely on the head, leaving the pistons flate... so if you put the 4AG head on the 7AFE pistons... you get really low compression... cheddar? according to tech reference on club4ag, it says "All else being done, the engine should have 1800cc and compression ratio of between 9.8 and 11 depending on which piston and 4A-GE head you used." oh, and to add, i've ridden in several 7age powered ae86's, using totally stock 7afe bottom, with a largeport 4age head, didnt seem like it had "7" compression. i would also guess that the headgasket would play a role in that. dont know the stock thickness of the 7afe, but 4age has a 1.2mm stock gasket, and you can go all the way down to a .5mm, giving .7 more compression, then shave the head and get even more. |
Jul 20, 2006 - 1:15 AM | Forum: Engine/Transmission/Maintenance · Post Preview: #458461 · Replies: 20 · Views: 5,096 |
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QUOTE(Kwanza26 @ Jul 20, 2006 - 12:10 AM) [snapback]458433[/snapback] QUOTE(WH95TE @ Jul 20, 2006 - 4:37 AM) [snapback]458409[/snapback] And all of those can bolt directly onto a 7afe to make it a 7age? yes... if you're ok with having 7 something compression and 40hp... It's not an intake where you can simply bolt-on and go. There's wiring to be done... pistons to be changed... let's just go all out and call it a rebuild. actually. if i remember correctly, bluetop head mated to the 7afe yields ~10:1 compression ratio. but if you really want to build a good motor you might as well match the 4age head by using 4age pistons and get some higher compression |
Jul 19, 2006 - 11:18 PM | Forum: Engine/Transmission/Maintenance · Post Preview: #458401 · Replies: 20 · Views: 5,096 |
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QUOTE(netrata @ Jul 19, 2006 - 3:07 PM) [snapback]458216[/snapback] QUOTE(WH95TE @ Jul 19, 2006 - 2:44 AM) [snapback]458042[/snapback] So how many 4AGE are there? Im guessing 5: *Smallport bluetop 4age *Largeport redtop 4age *20v 4age silvertop *20v 4age blacktop *4agze got the redtop and bluetop switched. bluetops are largeport, redtops are smallport |
Jul 5, 2006 - 4:54 PM | Forum: Engine/Transmission/Maintenance · Post Preview: #452352 · Replies: 8 · Views: 2,189 |
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QUOTE(Bitter @ Jul 4, 2006 - 3:49 PM) [snapback]452006[/snapback] i think he's trying to swindle you. the 4age never came with a factory turbo (super was on the mr2) and never came in 'purple top' theres the black, red, and silver top, those are the only 3 i'm aware of. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_A_engine#4A there's also the bluetop 16v. and, its better to refer to them as largeport and smallport 16v, blacktop or silvertop 20v. because the 4age found in later mr2's have a red valvecover yet are largeport head design. |
May 16, 2006 - 5:20 PM | Forum: Buying/Selling · Post Preview: #434694 · Replies: 0 · Views: 1,940 |
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Hi all, I own a 1985 AE86 GTS hatch, and am looking to sell or trade. would like to get a celica (5th or 6th gen) or an MK3 Supra, or whatever trades that might interest me. details about the car: 253,XXX miles, unknown brand header, custom intake and exhaust, TRD 8-way adjustables in back with 6kg TRD Japan springs, Paradise Racing coilover in front with AGX shocks and 8kg spring, T3 RCA's, Supra wheels, water temp and oil pressure gauges, dual electric fans. I was told by the previous owner that the motor is believed to have been rebuilt, runs extremely strong. Distributor cap, rotor, wires, and master cylinder have been replaced within last 100 miles, along with the shifter bushings. Bad things:70%done bodywork (primered), missing some interior. This would be a good car for anyone wanting a drift ready corolla, or even a daily driver if given some TLC. Will try to send pics to anyone interested. ooantirockeroo@hotmail.com TO WHOEVER INTERESTED IN BUYING!: I DO NOT have a copy of the title for this car, you would need to get a bonded title, which is inexpensive(around $50) and fairly easy, i just do not have the time to get it taken care of. I do have documentation to show that the car is not stolen or anything of the sort. I can set you up with the right people to help with this issue if needed, or can try to get the title before the sale. But if you buy the car before I am able to do this;I AM NOT responsible for any problems you have with it. |
Apr 17, 2006 - 6:53 PM | Forum: Interior/Audio/Electrical/Wiring · Post Preview: #422672 · Replies: 11 · Views: 5,454 |
Enthusiast Joined Apr 15, '06 From Plano, Tx Currently Offline ![]() |
you have to cut off the stock 7gc bracket and weld on the 6gc bracket, or at least thats what i remember my brother doing. those 7gc seats are great, very comfy and hold well |
Apr 17, 2006 - 6:27 PM | Forum: Engine/Transmission/Maintenance · Post Preview: #422661 · Replies: 4 · Views: 1,665 |
Enthusiast Joined Apr 15, '06 From Plano, Tx Currently Offline ![]() |
it would probably be better to use the "Redtop Hi-comp" head from the fwd AE92, as the manifold would already be in the correct position, etc. but the ECU from the AE92 hi-comp is set for running 10.3 compression, where as the AE86 ECU runs 9.4. so whichever is going to be closer to the compression you plan on running, use that. im not sure if the 4age ecu will plug right into the stock plug. but there will not be the great power increase you may be hoping for, the 4age head works best at 6k+ rpm's, which the stock 7a internals cannot handle. the only reason us ae86 owners put the 7age in our corollas is for the added torque of the 1.8L. Just some info, and the best site to go to for info on 7age is club4ag.com tech reference. when/if i trade my ae86 for a 6gc, i plan on utilizing either 7age or possibly the 20v 4age from the AE111, i know the 3s makes more power, but im a sucker for the 7.5k rpm screaming 4age |
Apr 16, 2006 - 7:01 PM | Forum: Buying/Selling · Post Preview: #422279 · Replies: 8 · Views: 2,753 |
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i already got someone lined up to shoot the paint for me. and for interior, idk, you might be on your own, it's really hard to find nice, clean peices around here. all that's missing though is the door panels. do you have any pictures of your celica you could send me? ooantirockeroo@hotmail.com |
Apr 16, 2006 - 5:41 PM | Forum: Buying/Selling · Post Preview: #422266 · Replies: 8 · Views: 2,753 |
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QUOTE(95CelicaST @ Apr 16, 2006 - 12:42 PM) [snapback]422174[/snapback] QUOTE hey id be interested, what motor do you have in the car That would be a 16V 4A-GE he's correct^. bluetop 16v 4a-ge, runs super strong. has never given me any trouble |
Apr 15, 2006 - 11:56 PM | Forum: Buying/Selling · Post Preview: #422037 · Replies: 8 · Views: 2,753 |
Enthusiast Joined Apr 15, '06 From Plano, Tx Currently Offline ![]() |
hi all, i'm currently looking to possibly trade my AE86 for a Celica as a daily driver. My car is a 1985 toyota corolla gt-s (ae86), hatchback. here's some of the details: 253k miles, header, intake, exhaust, TRD 8-way adjustable rear shocks w/ TRD 6kg springs, KYB AGX 4-way shocks in front with Paradise Racing coilover conversion, Oil pressure and water temp gauges, supra wheels. now for some bad stuff: car is the middle of a paintjob, so it's multi-colored primer, missing some interior and radio, and im currently trying to get some title issues resolved. i don't have any pictures yet, as i don't own a digital camera, but i will try to get some for those interested. if you're in the area and have a celica, and would think about trading (as is or i could get the paint finished), let me know. thanks ![]() |
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