So me and Dustin (Batman722) decided to postpone the wedding another year and buy another 6th gen project instead...
That and the 99 Solara I've been using as a winter car is going to my sister in a few weeks so we needed to have one available to each of us as a 'winter beater'.
We have my green 97 ST turbo, Dustin's blue 95 GT ST205 swapped, his silver 95 ST
And let me introduce the new addition to our Celica family,
1994 Celica GT, 5spd, black interior, sunroof, Florida car without New England rust.
Very bad rod knock and a very bad radiator meant we had to have it towed home where it stayed until it was again towed to Manny, Jenn and Randi's garage.
We decided to swap in a Redtop 3S-GE Beams
We cleaned it up, timing belt, waterpump, tensioner, prepped to go in
^inside the intake manifold, taken through the throttle body
And as of tonight, it is in the car and running,
And Manny fabricated the whole exhaust, from the b-pipe all the way back. I do not have good pics of it, someone else will have to insert them.
We should be able to take some better pics tomorrow in the daylight. So far, very fun
Nice work as always, some amazing sh!t happening in that garage.
Looks like fun
quickest swap ever!
and more pics
Day 1
starting out in the garage
pull the beat down 5s and put it where it belongs
remove ABS, install non abs lines/master
paint engine bay black
better pic
day 2
get the beams in the bay
I spy a tan line
lightweight FW then OEM Beams disk, st185 pp, and s54 tob and a wicked cool SS braided clutch line
day 3
button things up and have Manny make an incredible exhaust.
and the exhaust - just unbelievable - I'm speechless every time I look at it.
end of day 3, drive home
once we cranked it over a few times to get some fuel in it, it started just fine. It idles a bit high right now (about 1100) so me and Stef will diagnose it tomorrow.
and driving impressions...it's quick and pulls great all the way to redline
more pics tomorrow in the daylight.
wow amazing, what kind of red is that, the one on the valve cover and intake, is that engine enamel or what?
Send me a custom exhaust like that, i need one, lol....
it's powdercoated red from the factory...
good stuff
Awesome Thread. Exhaust looks great. Wish I had got the bpipe with mine.
Im curious how you cleaned the inside of the intake manifold so clean. Did you just take it off and let brake clean sit in there for a while? Do tell!! Thanks.
I always liked topics like this . Amazing work...
im so amazed to that exhaust setup, just wow,
Yeah, i already knew it was painted cause dustin told me.
I want mine in.
Wow, that was some crazy progress... Manny, you do good exhaust fabrication! I might have to drive up there and pay you to do mine when I get ready to swap! Lol. Is the body going to stay like that since it's a winter beater or will you guys clean it up?
awesome.
My god...you people are godly.
awesome.
It was idling a little high the first day, as Dustin mentioned, but today it was perfectly fine. The ECU just needs a few days to relearn everything.
Just some nicer pics in the daylight...
haha we never had a 5sfte
after driving for a day the idle is just fine, actually perfect.
today we changed the rear sway bar bushings, installed the rear strut bar, set the radio stations and drove that thing hard It feels like normal until about 3.5-4K rpms then it gets going and keeps going. It pulls right until 7200 and is quick.
next we're going to do suspension (endlinks, ball joints <-toasted, new struts, springs, tie rods) hopefully before winter, then next spring body work, paint, and wheels. The color we picked is gonna be incredible on a 6gen
that is so cool Stef. did u get my PM?
Congrats on a job well done.
With the idle, mine also idles at around 1100rpm when I first start it up. As the engine warms up, it drops back to around 800rpm.
Who needs a wedding when you could swap a 3sge into another Celica?
Looks great guys! Can't wait to see what color you decided to paint it.
wow awesome. speechless Great work
very impressive stuff.
Why are you still using the stock air box?
thats just a cover over the valve cover right as it appears? Can that fit a 5s valve cover?
on another point what are you using for the guage BEAMS or a modified preBEAMS one?
great job guys, I love seeing what comes out of your garage(s).
AWESOME.... you guys rock!
x2 on what Def said. Noice
Maybe I will get a wife or gf some day that loves to modify cars. It would be awesome, anyways I like the work that has been done. I am considering doing a swap in mine now.
wow you guys are amazing,
how much would you charge for a 3s gte swap
im coning up there and throwing it in the back of my hatch.
that would save me sooo much money
Really cool swap. I like how the red engine went in the red car.
So who's faster? The turbo st or this thing?
btw, is it me, or is that a little air duct on the alternator?
sorry not to thread jack but when are we doing my car?
Some new upgrades for our new car...
JDM tails, 5000k HID lows, and a new plate
When is the exhaust going to get fixed. It looks as if the muffler is tilted towards the ground. Unless thats what you like.
Have you had the chance to get it on the dyno?
I'm hoping to do a Beams swap at some point in time. Always seems like others things come up though.
cool looking plate, i have got some goodies coming over for me.
what color is the car? it looks like a dark red? yah. stock? probably. just wondering.
last night, i finally got to drive dustin and steffs beams powered celica for the first time.
i figured i'd try and do i quick write up of my impressions of it, to try and give the guys (and gals!) that dont know what to expect, or are trying to decide if the beams is for them an idea what it feels like.
first off, the car is VERY behaved around town, in low throttle, low load situations. it feels pretty much like a 5s if you keep the revs low, under 4k. it drives just like stock, and since they used a stock clutch, the driveability of it is just like a stock car. fantastic.
once you start to get higher up in RPM range, the motor REALLY comes to life, and where the 3sge shines, IMO. it just loves revs. the longer you stay in gear, the faster it gets, right up to the 7250 redline.
once you hear that motor sing @ 7k RPM, you just wanna keep downshifting.
with a 5s, you tend to want to shift a little early, to stay in the meat of the powerband. the 7a, even more so. the 3sge is the exact opposite, it just begs to be reved up to redline.
when you mash the throttle down, the intake note comes up, and that motor just sounds amazing as it rips up the RPM band, screaming its way to redline.
i found myself downshifting into 3rd on the highway, and doing redline pulls just to hear the motor sing.
the car feels strong, and pulls well.
if your looking for brute power, or neck snapping torque, then you want a 3sgTe, because thats not what this motor does.
power delievery is VERY linear, but still to me seemed to have a nice jump in power from ~5000rpm to redline.
IMO this motor would be absolutly awesome for autocross. the higher redline of the 3sge makes the short gearing of the tranny alot more useable, and the LSD works fantasticly.
i love the way it allows power delievery from mid corner to exit, where the car normally wants to just push out the LSD really helps pull the car out of the corner straight.
overall, if you like a high reving, performance based n/a motor, that can act like a 5s, and be great around town and daily driving, you'll love the beams 3sge.
I had a feeling thats exactly what it was a better version of the 5s. do you think you can get a 5s to a beams equiv if you get cams, headers, exhaust, wires, plugs, intake, port polish, rebuild? naaa not even close. maybe only like 160 at most appr.
next for the Beams
nice write up manny about the 3sge
so what colour are they going to?
ya i heard the beams one time in a mr2 that was crashed, he revved it and it sounded so GOOD!!
Im glad you did that little write up. Cant wait till i get mine. Nice choice for the gt-s rims color.
the wheels are gonna be powdercoated white
added a TRD strut bay ya !
oh man that engine bay is gorgeous!!
More about the wheels
Before
two had some curb rash, one was very bad. the other two were just fine...
Dustin stripped the paint off all of them, I didn't do it very well
Then I did some filing and sanding, globbed on some aluminum putty...
did even more sanding and filing and sanding again...
I just need to do a little more overall sanding on two of them and they will be ready to go for powder coating...
I bought the powder from powderbuythepound.com, they shipped extremely fast
Color will be Super Durable Wet White:
ULTRA SMOOTH FINISH WITH THE HIGHEST GLOSS LEVELS !! PROVIDING LONG TERM RESISTANCE TO CHALKING AND LOSS OF GLOSS USING HIGH-PERFORMANCE PIGMENTS TO PROVIDE LONG TERM COLOR STABILITY ~ SUPER DURABLE WET WHITE ~ POLYESTER~GLOSS LEVEL 95+5% ~ CURE TIME = 400F/10 MIN
And on another update note,
I installed the hood struts last weekend the day after the TRD strut bar pictured.
Need to get a good updated shot of the engine bay.
Brought the car to work today to fix a few things with the car.
Both lower ball joints were blown out and really noisy, put new ones in
Both front tie rod ends had some play, installed new ones today
Driver side axle was clicking, put another one in
Right rear adjustment arm bushings were blown, installed another arm
and alignment
all those things made a big difference and make me feel so much better about the car now. I feel like we are making some progress now.
hell yea drool over the engine bay pics!! I love the fact how you guys repainted the intake manifold and valve cover. Oo and white powder coated rims. white on red reminds me of the 5th gen, sort of like rally style. so which one is faster the beams or your green celica?!
Love it!
Gorgeous, absolutely gorgeous.
How hard was it to sand the wheels? Any machine tools used?
Yeah I just used a little hand held electric sander at the end, that just made it a little easier but wasn't really necessary.
Mostly a file, aluminum putty, and a lot of sand paper.
Haven't heard of putty ever being used, but I guess you need to if the rash is really deep. Mine might be just as bad as yours on a wheel or two.
Yeah I found it a long time ago at the Japanese marketplace in Jersey and bought it cause I thought I could use it one day.
I used them on my wheels that are on the green car before we painted them. I had a lot left so I used it on these. Its very nice stuff, it gets very hard yet says very sandable and easy to work with.
Did you use it on all of them or just the worst one? The worst one looks like something just chewed on it when the tire was off.
wow din't know the trd strutbrace fits with the BEAMS engines, or was that just the 3sgte?
how are you painting the rims might I ask? powdercoating?
nice work how much the whole project run?
that aluminum putty looks fun...
hmm how come you guys just didnt swap it into the green celica?
can you maybe write down the steps you guys took to fix the wheels, as far as sanding and filing go? I've been wanting to repair my gt-s wheels for awhile now.
Manny welded in a new resonator today. The beams was way too loud, we actually got pulled over a few days ago because of it.
So I bought a http://vibrantperformance.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=1021_1033_1055&products_id=46. It's much better now, I'm happy with the results.
what dp you think it was about? before and after?
any update on the white 7gc rims?
i already asked if adding a camcom will give allow for better tuning. but according to the guys over at the beams forums, its not worth it, and is just better to go with a stand alone.
i was wondering where you got your hood struts, what brand are they, and how much? thanks
You can check the exterior sticky thread, has info on where to get them etc
SO sick!!!Cant wait for the results of 7afte vs 3sge beams
Experimenting with the Beams... I think I need a little more time to decide if I like it or not
It looks fine right now, my concern is that when the car is finally painted and the body looks good will the plate holder make it look unfinished? Of course it will be painted professionally and properly but I'm just afraid the difference in color might make it look like we just threw it on afterward and haven't painted it yet. I know the cf plate holder would look more finished but the way I feel about cf is that it should be functional (meaning the part should actually weigh less) and be painted.
Also installed a 7th gen non-power antenna today, just need to get a mast for it now.
Dustin read through some how-to's where people said something about using the 6th gen base and having to notch something and shim something else to make it all fit nice, I just used the 7th gen antenna base and ornament (black thing on the outside of the car) and it took about 10 mins and all fit perfectly fine. The bracket inside just needs to be loosened and turned the opposite way, but I'm not too worried about that, I'll get to it eventually.
I like it, but CF would look better. I've thought about rattlecanning my license bezel black since it looks good on silver cars, but yours pretty much came out the way I had it in my head...a bit unfinished, like your OEM part was broken and you took this from a black 6GC.
Go for CF.
you just need more black accents to make it look like it belongs there, being the ONLY black part in the car is what makes it look out of place.
great work so far Steph !
i dont think it looks all that bad actually...i think it looks like its supposed to be that color...and it breaks the ass end up a little bit as well....yea red would look good, but i think black looks fine....i would leave it and have the rest of the car painted...i mean...if carbon fiber isnt your thing...i would stick with black...maybe a set of SS-III riser blocks in black to help accent it? i dunno if your into them or not...but over all the car looks great...and the back plate looks just fine in black
that is the euro style license plate bezel. thats why it looks weird...
Dustin's idea is to go black roof anyway cause it'll look great regardless... then get a second euro rear plate holder and have one painted red with the rest of the car and have the other painted black with the roof. Then we can try the black one on for a while and if we don't like it switch to the red one. I think that works for me.
you guys do the work like its you're paid profession.. everything looks so clean. If I didnt know anything about 6gcs.. Id say that engine came out of the factory for a celica GT
update?
a week or so ago we dropped it with TRD springs and KYBs, today I'm gonna put in some RacingBeat solid endlinks
Our 7gen wheels are off to powdercoat and we should have those back in a week or so, then new tires mounted.
we've got a 97 front end on and we made a deal to get the bodywork/paint done probably by July.
7th Gen white powdercoated wheels and new Goodyear Eagle GT tires are on, I also installed the endlinks today.
I also ordered new quarter windows yesterday. All non-moveable windows will be removed for paint, quarters windows and front windshield will be replaced with new ones, rear window will be the one from the parts car.
the white rims are gonna look SMMMOOOKKINNN hot against the new paint.
JDM Guy approved.
I'm second guessing the rear plate bezel being black. I think we are still going to do the roof but I'm not sure about how a black plate surround will go with the white wheels...
the black has got to go.
Like I said, if it was CF I'd like it...but now, it just looks like a spare part that you tossed on.
yumm very tasty!! I agree go back to the red license plate bezel??? if thats what its called
wow...how come it took me this long to find this thread???
i need to come up sometime and get a first hand experience.
if i would ever do a swap. this is what id do.
and i am stunned as to how fast you got it in ( thats what she said )
i shouldnt be though seeing as how you guys where working on it
car looks cherry.
rims are white so i am obligated to love it.
what is the weight difference btwn the 3s and 5s?
thats the one thing ive been trying to search around for?
nice swap. i love the beams engine. would this swap be a direct swap or is it like the 3sgte where you need to do some harness work? this motor bolts up to the existing 5sfe components (ac, air box, etc)? nicely done.
I'm not sure about the weight difference Mike, but I agree the Beams would be your kind of motor.
There is a little wiring involved but not much, less than the 3rd gen 3SGTE. AC works fine, I think the airbox is slightly different, the throttle body is bigger so the hose and the opening from the airbox is also bigger, and you need the hose that connects the throttle body to the box cause it has the opening for the MAF sensor, the GT mounts work fine. But if you get a motor set it should come with everything you would need.
Me and Dustin discussed it and we are ditching the black plate holder and doing that body color but the roof will still be getting painted black.
This would be dependent on your budget, but...if you were to do the roof black, I'd panda the whole car and do a CF hood and hatch. Both OEM-style, no need for silly vents.
red celica and white rims ftw
they look good, but i'm glad I choose to go for the 6spoke white
Im finding out the weight difference for you now tiga
what about the turbo, intercooler etc bonzai?? check the LSD thread, we're pretty sure now what models got what
Too bad I don't have the receipt from the shipping company, that may have had a general idea of the weight of the package/motor.
So the Beams got a new (/used) wheel bearing Sunday, steering rack and alignment today, feels much better now.
Ready for bodywork and paint when you are Manny!
haa whoops
bodywork has begun
The car has a lot of small dings and dents all over the place. Not too bad. The passenger side door didn't line up with the rear quarter very well. The drivers side fender had splits in it at the wheel well lip, pass side fender was aftermarket and didn't really fit too well. The plan is to use the oem fender from the parts car on the pass side and buy a new oem fender for the drivers side. Hopefully the rest will be pretty easy. Lots of sanding and priming and more sanding. Plenty of time, the car isn't scheduled for paint until Sat July 17th.
(If all goes according to plan) All non-moveable windows will be removed by the Thursday before paint, Manny will drive the stripped down car to work on Friday for the last bit of prep and taping. Paint Saturday and left over the weekend to dry. Monday AAA will go to the car and install the windows and we should hopefully be able to pick it up that afternoon and put everything back together.
pictures from last night (friday)
since then the other quarter window is out, rear glass is out, plate bezel is sanded, mirrors are off, both fenders are fitted, both sideskirts are fitted.
Things left to do: We just need to take the cowl and wipers off. Then Manny needs to fill in a few unwanted holes, finish sanding, prime and block the whole car, and paint the jambs before Friday when he takes it to work for paint on Sat.
It's not really a secret, it's written on my windshield
Nice! Cant wait to see the end result!
manny can you paint anywhere? come to CA and paint my 6th and 5th gens for me.
AHHHH ITS YELLOW!
AND BLACK?!?!
yes. its marhyde primer, and guide coat sprayed over it so that we can block it all out tommorow.
a few more.
Yay!!
But I don't really like that color, maybe we can try painting it red
you roxorz my soxorz, see you soon
Today was blocking and sanding, then getting it ready for Manny to drive to work tomorrow.
Next time we see the car it will be red... again
so today, the car got the gun.
and, all i can say, is WOW.
they totally picked the right color for a celica.
here are a few pics i took while it was in the booth.
this last pic is of the license plate surround, close up with the flash on, it shows the pearl midcoat off really well.
this is definetly one of the straightest, cleanest paint jobs i've done to date.
it was nearly 100* when i started painting it, and i came out of the booth telling everyone how much fun it was. lol.
i hope you guys enjoy it, alot of hard work went into this car, and IMO its all paid off.
Thats a smokin hot looking car!
beautiful!
Hmmm... something strange is going on here . I really like topics like this!
Damn Manny. you sure do some great work...
i'm jealous of you guys x 1000000000000.
this is gonna be one of the nicest 6gcs out there
fuuuuuuuu
now i have to come up there and get my car resprayed.
manny i hate you now
Man I wish there was people down here in socal with the same passion that you guys have over there. I love this stuff.
what about jams? under hood?
verrry good job tho. what product is it? ICI-Nexa?
This brought a tear to my eye. Beautiful. I love Manny too. He's so redonkulous. <3
To Manny (pressure2):
How much do you charge for a paint job?
My car is black, but if I get it repainted I'm looking to do either a midnight or pearl black
It does need a tad bit of body work; slight rust on the doors and the driver's side quarter panel has a small ripple effect on the bottom.
I'm just looking for a rough estimate.
PM me please
Now that is a pretty paint job. Varry niice, how much? lolol
Me and Dustin spent about 10 hours putting this car back together today. It all paid off in the end. All I can say is OMG it is beyond what I could have expected, I knew it was going to look nice but seeing it all come together is just unbelievable. The color and the paint job are amazing!!
There are a few more little details to work on tomorrow and Dustin will hopefully be able to get some nice pics in the daylight.
Looks incredible. You guys inspire me.
OMG that looks amazing!!!
i knewwwwwww i seen this car tonight leavin mannys street! ... i was playin baseball over at lafyette.. if it wasnt u stef..or dustin, it def looked like it... this car came out great, wow wow wow, soooo clean! great job shootin it manny, it looks so straight
wow looks stunning. great job on the prep and painting everyone.
lovin the red and white rim combo as always
looks amazing! Type R killer haha.
Get ready for, "Is that a 2010 model?"
nice job you two clean and sharp like it +10
woooooooooooooooooooow.
Beautiful!!!
More pictures here: http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=75017
Now THAT is what an OEM style 6gc should look like
are the pictures up the exhaust set up still viewable??
drove to Jersey and back today, 30.36 mpg.
damn 30mph for a 3sge nice!...anyone know stock mpg rating of a 3sgte all stock in a fwd car?..and batman/hurley yall are making me want to move back to RI...i lived there for 18 years of my life then moved down here...which im regretting somewhat....only thing i like about down here is the weather.....that is it...in ri for being a small state theres much more to do then down here in SC where im at.. all there is to do is get drunk or do drugs or make babies...even for the kids and adults....ah well one day...who knows i may drive my celli the 900 miles up there one day!
I was fortunate enough to get to see this car in person Monday... I have to say, it's easily the cleanest Celica I've seen in person. It's so complete, inside and out. Dustin and Stef have put a lot of work into the car and it really shows The color is absolutely perfect on a Celica, and the attention to detail was apparent. I was satisfied with my Celica until I saw this one and learned exactly how much more these cars are capable of. You guys have got this car set up perfect in every way.
why did you remove the abs?
yea boom his b-pipe that he custom built for the celica.
http://s483.photobucket.com/user/BonzaiCelica/media/3S-GE%20Beams/Exhaust%20Set-up/remadebeamsbpipe_zpsb7b3dd74.jpg.html
Lol are you building Dustin's car? Or wrong thread bumped
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