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Sounds great what prices should I be looking for and what components as what compression and any live near SoCal or have a web cam in case I need some help or even a simple phone call for step by step instructions would be amazing help to me someone please

dude! i made 240 lbs of torque and 220 HP, to the wheels and thats using an E153 transmission.



this is with no VVT support either. If i had VVT control I'd probably gain another 20 lbs of torque. Also the VVT in the BEAMS is not a true VVT. its wither on or off. its not constantly adjusting like the newer engines are.

This post has been edited by Smaay: Mar 10, 2013 - 2:53 PM

VVT on the ladies Yaris is annoying. Its like a mini-boost from take off, but no where else. Seems to only work 100% through the band if you hold the gas in the same position the whole acceleration which is not useful in passing. Could just be the baby motor =P

I love the V6 concept. That torque is a nice sell coming from a 7a, then going to a 5s. I had to learn to rev that bugger to get the power I wanted, no biggie , ease to learn. Though I miss the "instant" torque of the 7a or as described in a V6 swap.

but just about everything mentioned it this thread about custom, and near similar power doesn't sway me to the V6. Its mainly the custom work that bugs me, and as pressure mentioned the lack of future potential. Though I think a v6 has more power options then a beams, just matters which v6 =P

I hung on a beams swap for a long time, because I didn't want the maint of a 3s or turbo powered vehicle, but in the end, cost vs. power gains really forced to going with a 3s.

All those other quirks can be a learned driving change in my opinion for the high revs, so it really comes down to how much power, and what kind of driver you want to be. I want power, I'll learn to be another kind of driver once I get my power goals =)

This post has been edited by rave2n: Mar 10, 2013 - 4:46 PM

thats cool, didnt know the 3m made that much more power than the 1m.
i dunno, im still convinced that the 3rd gen swap is the best bang for your buck, even if it is more money up front.
like i said in my earlier posts, the beams is a fun motor, but once your in a 3s equipped celica, theres no going back to the beams, or 220whp @ 5k rpm.

was that on the fresh rebuild, smaay? i'd imagine with the vvt it'd hold out the tq longer, right?

Once smaay has the supercharger strapped on (if he's still doing it)
I think the v6 should put out as much power if not more than a GTE an won't weigh the car down anymore than a GTE

Do get me wrong I'm not saying the the GTE isn't a awesome motor Cuz it is. But stock to stock IF you want to stay n/a a v6 is the better option.
But I'm with smaay the 1/3mz has a lot of room to make more power just no one with a celica has really done it
An the 1mz if I remember correctly ( like I said IF) has ran fast quarter mile times in a Mr than s stock rev2 GTE can
These v6s are great for swap an until you see one you come realize how much room there still is to work
Ask richee3 he's seen mine
There's more room between the motor an firewall in my celica than his rx330

No, that's the 4A-GE. VVT-i in the BEAMS is precisely the same, constantly changing timing that is seen in today's engines. 4A-GE = VVT, BEAMS = VVT-i.



My RX300 blows. Plain and simple.

mi645- Here on 6gc, we're a pretty helpful bunch of people, but information on what to look for in a new engine is pretty commonplace. We'll help you as long as you're willing to help yourself, and so far all I've seen in this thread is "somebody do it for me." Not trying to bash or be a jerk, but a simple Google search would give you any answer you want.

A point I seen made earlier Why do you want to do a swap that is very well know WILL NOT pass Emissions in your state?

fact of the matter. people will tell you

v6 - because they have it

3sgte - because they have it

beams - because they have it.

In the end u make the decision. Pressure is right, after a while the beams gets boring. And this is coming from one who has the beams in his car. My 200 hp frs is more fun to drive. and good luck with replacement parts!!!

A V6 could be a waste of time and money unless a newer 2gr, because in the end, you'll want more power, and more, and where does it end? and i know some members have this, but got to remember this is my opinion.

3sgte is expensive, although a fair swap. But if you break the engine, then you'll have some trouble finding certain parts. but not difficult.


At the end, your car, your money your swap. Listen to different opinions, and then make ur own, dont let anyone make the choice for u.

no rebuild, that was a straight pull from a 05 Sienna. I put the 1MZ intake manifold on it and dropped it in. it felt a little faster than my hybrid engine. the 3MZ has a larger cam also so that helps get the power up there

ill say it again, i drove Eryns car with a 3S-GTE at 18psi and it was freaking awesome!!!! If i hadnt done this already, i would have gone 3S-GTE. but now that I have driven both cars. for people on a budget of 2000-2500 for everything, and i mean everything, the V6 is the way to go.

I know you can shop around to get it cheaper but for the typical 3S-GTE swap, its going to cost about 4000+

I'm sorry, I don't understand....
Richee, mine is without a shadow of a doubt faster than yours.
You REALLY NEED to get that heavy flywheel out bro lol
I can vouch for the beams being a blast. Maybe that's cause mine is rhd, but it's in a different realm in comparison to the 5s and I'm sure the 3sgte is like that to the beams.

I picked up my 2nd beams for 1350 delivered. That was with afm, tranny, cables, axles, ecu, uncut harness, down pipe, everything. But smog is a concern in California for sure. But Bonzai has one, so it can be done...
Beams is the easiest swap, cost the less, but you're limited on power... Your call

From what I read I don't think bonzai even knows how his car passed smog
An as far as beams being cheapest an easiest I only agree with half of that
Yes is is the easiest but not cheapest
I picked up a 98 avalon for 350 an was able to drive it to make sure the engine I was getting was good
So that gave me 95% of what I need for my swap for 350
The harness cost 430
Clutch/flywheel was 300
That's just over 1000 so I could have finished my swap for under what you paid for just your swap.
An 1300 is a lot less than you see a normal beams swap go for too let's be honest on that part

^^^ like i been saying you can find 3MZ engines for less than 1000 with the ECU and harness. you can use your own GT 5 speed and axles. the only thing that needs fabbing is the Y pipe and passenger engine mount.

If there was a real demand and i had the time, i would build kits that include complete wiring harness' the engine mount and the Y pipe. so all you need to do is hit up an autozone to find the hoses that work and install. Oh and an axle bearing carrier. since im using the E153 and MR2/ST185 axles. the 05 sienna carrier worked perfectly.

I'm not looking to find someone to do all the work for me. I'm not lookin for horsepower I track and auto x my car my 5s is aging leaking and it needs a lot of money I just decided to swap a beams rather than fix the 5s and my teams giving me problems so I wanted a whole new engine with trans over all I'm spending the same amount of money fixing my 5s and I wan the high end power that my 5s lacks so much. I'm willing to get the work done... But like I said I live in an apartment I need someone to help me I can't simply swap it in my apartment and the wiring I never had to work with wiring I don't wanna pull the motor out and be stuck and I have a 73 240z making way more power than the Celica will ever make I could've put an ls1 in te z but I chose not to I kept stock motor. But anyways I'm looking for advice not someone to do anything for me I just read a lot of things like web people buy a beams something breaks on it when it's being shipped so I asked what to look out for.... Simple as that my bad.

And I know bonzai personally I've seen his Celica I've ridden in it b4.

you are not looking for someone to do the work for you but you dont have a place to do the work?????

I'm asking for ideas or someone that can help me do it fast cuz I can't keep it at my apartment with the motor out over a day I got permission but only 1 day. So I need pointers experienced people etc.

So swap the engine, put the hood back on it. Complete it when you can.

Just because you swapped the engine doesn't mean it needs to run that day. How the hell would they know..worst case, roll it to another parking spot at night.

If there is a will, there is a way.

This post has been edited by rave2n: Mar 12, 2013 - 4:50 AM

rent a storage unit for 1 month. plenty of time. 80 bucks. bro, plenty of time.

its going to take longer than a day. im more than happy to help pull your engine out and install the V6 up at my place. i have everything needed. but its still going to be a few day job. there is always something that is missing, or you need to order.

The question we haven't asked yet is whether there is a restriction for his auto x class on engine.

I go on private events with my Celica. Only my Datsun 240z is scca approved.
But anyways Smayy would u be down for a beams swap? If ur good with pulling engines maybe u can teach me.
I never pulled a fwd engine out before.