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Yeah and anything over 250 hp or so in a FWD setup is useless for anything that isn't drag racing. Unless you enjoy fighting torque steer the entire time you're driving.

Turbocharging the 1MZ and losing reliability is utter bull ****. Toyota offered the option of a TRD supercharger on the 1MZ-FE in the Camry/Solara and even the Sienna, it's more than capable of being boosted.

Also driving a V6 Camry is nothing like driving a V6 Celica. It'd be like throwing a 3S into the Camry, wouldn't be the same would it?

The 1mz pulls me in with its parts avliableity, but the 3sgte pulls me with the amount of info on it and it seems easier to install.

Also you got 300hp out of a 5s? I'm impressed I didn't think it could get up to that much.

That has got to be the silliest thing I've ever heard on this site.
Usless over 250fwhp? Lmao tell that to my wife as she pulls away from you like your standing still. ( yes, the blue celica is jenns, she drives it everyday, and has for the past 13 years that she's owned it.)
You must have some SERIOUS noodle arms if you have to "fight" tourque steer @ 250fwhp.
I'm sorry, your argument holds no water with me after that. Lmao.
The "f" in the engine code designates it as an economy head, that's not made for performance, or boost.
Can it handle a few lbs, sure, so can ANY motor. But was it designed and built for performance or boost? No.

Dont worry about the install, thats not what should dictate your swap, the v6 isnt really a big deal vs a 3s.
unlike most of these guys, im not a fanboy, im a realist.
if your looking for the cheapest way to put a swap in your car that is faster than stock, and are not looking for a turbo, or looking to build big down the road, the v6 may be a good option for you.
the 1mz is cheap, available everywhere, and is reliable. same for the 3vz or whatever.

if you want a turbo setup, are looking to make alot more power than stock, and want a true performance engine that is designed and built for performance, than the 3sgte is the best option for you, with the 3rd gen being the easiest of all to swap. everything just fits, works together seamlessly, and drives just like stock, till you really get into it.
a/c, ps, everything is plug and play as far as accessories, and its super reliable, up to and over 300whp.

if you want n/a performance, want an engine that revs "honduh" style, and arnt looking for huge power, than check out the beams. its prolly the easiest of all swaps, and is a fun little motor.

any of those motors, provided you do your mantinence and take resonable care of them, will be very reliable.

i had alot of fun with my 5sfte. my last dynoruns with it were @ ~21psi, with a ct-27 (upgraded version of the stock 2nd gen 3sgte turbo, the ct-26) and made 307whp and 320ftlbs. the build and dynos, ect are fully documented here on the site in the FI section.
even a 5sfte can be quite reliable, and a hell of a lot of fun provided you do things right and use moderation with boost and turbo size..lol my setup was very reliable untill i really started to push things to theyre limit, and knew i was going to end up with somthing going wrong, and accepted it to learn from it..lol
good luck.

Torque steer is fairly prevalent by that point. Even the 190hp Maxima my brother drives has it to a good degree. Obviously you've never taken the car where any degree of accelerating under hard cornering is required. Controlling torque steer in a straight line is one thing, controlling it through corners is another.

And "g" in the engine code designates performance. I guess next you'll tell me that the I in I4 means inline.

This post has been edited by Box: Apr 28, 2013 - 2:00 PM

I've been for a ride in a certain 330 whp 3S powered Celica, and there truly wasn't any torque steer. Then my 245 hp AWD Murano has decent torque steer when I'm passing traffic. Different car, different design. Celicas are prone to massive amounts of wheel hop but in general, little to no torque steer. That argument can be ignored when it comes to V6 vs 3S.

No need for a pissing contest over a 3S-GTE vs. a V6 swap. Comparing the motors is comparing apples to oranges. If you want cheap, easy, reliable 200 hp, then it's V6 swap. If you want turbo-noises and 250-300 whp and don't mind spending a bit more, then it's 3S-GTE all the way. Both are great engine swap candidates, but aren't comparable at all. Quite frankly, I'm getting sick of everyone trying to bash the other swap. It's teh interwebs, we all have different opinions and want different things, there's no reason to get upset over somebody wanting to do a different swap than you would do yourself.

This post has been edited by richee3: Apr 28, 2013 - 3:37 PM

So you seriously dont know that the "fe" (generally the last 2 letters in the engine code) in the Toyota engine codes designates the head design, and that f designates economy and g designates performance?
Fe - economy/electronic fuel injection
Ge - performance /electronic fuel injection
Lol you can learn about it all over the net, dude, just look around.

I've been driving celicas 13 years dude, and believe me, I've driven them just as hard as anyone on this site, and know what torque steer is.
Since you've learned everything there is to know about celicas in the 2 years you've been here, I'm just gonna step back and allow you to continue to put your foot in your mouth.

Apparently sarcasm is above you.

I suppose with proper suspension setups etc... you could eliminate a majority of it. Still to have none in a high powered FWD layout I find it hard to believe. Even the Vauxhall Astra VXR with all of its gizmos for countering torque steer, still suffers from torque steer.

This post has been edited by Box: Apr 28, 2013 - 5:28 PM

That car is hilariously bad.

OK this is just getting sad
For starters I'm no fanboy.
I've said what I've had to say about the v6 swap an its just as good of a swap as a 3s if your not worried about only power.

Pressure2: I had a lot of respect for you,your celicas, an what you have brought to this site. But I have lost a lot of respect for you after reading what basically been trash talking from you to box an anyone that has v6 in there post
Say what you want but the 2mz in a celica is one hell of a motor
Mine isn't even at 100% yet an I take out b swap Hondas like there a d series still.
Saying you know how a v6 will be in a celica because you drove a v6 camry is like saying oh I know what a v8 mustsng will feel Cruz I drove a crown Vic
Just because you know a few power numbers for a motor doesn't mean you know crap about how it will run in a car you've never seen it in before
Oh an I'd be willing to be mine or smaays v6 could spank that 300+ HP 3s of your wife on some good twistie roads cuz we haven't thrown off the balance of our celicas with all the extra weight the 3s adds. Powers not everything man....you'd think after owning a celica for 13years you would know that by now


Rant over

IBTL.
That is all.

Pressure you and I will go round and round and while you are correct an a great many things, you are ignorant with a few too. look ay my V6 swap dyno numbers. i made 220HP and 240tq. I have sourced a TRD supercharger or contemplated building my own M90 blower. that will put me well over the 300 range and ill still do it for less than a 3S-GTE swap.

ill say it again i drove erynns car with a 3S-GTE in it and i was IMPRESSED! it ran awesome! but she spent about 4000 for it. for what i have under the hood now its still under 2000.

this is going to be a long debate from now on. V6 Vs 3S-GTE

Also who finds this ironic considering he built a 5S-FE? What was that about having certain extremities in certain orifices?

ITS NOT SO MUCH About torque steer. But just getting thr power to the ground efficiently without wheel hop. U cannot do pedal to the medal in 1st and 2nd without loosing grip is what i think most people are after. Yea...

first, kurt, im not here for your respect, or anyone elses for that matter. so whether or not you "lost respect" for me whatever, i could care less.
did you guys miss my earlier post where i specificly said where a v6 swap IS a good idea in certain cercomstances?
im not saying there is no place for a v6 in a celica. quite the contrary, if your not looking for a turbo engine, or just really want the v6, go for it! its your car, do whatever the hell you want to it.
the whole v6 vs 3sgte debate is retarted as far as im concerned, i just cant stand the fanboy approch people have.
ohh i have a v6, so its the best thing since sliced bread!..bull****.

having driven all 3, 5S-FE with turbo, 3S-GTE and V6. i can say that all of them have their strengths. turboing the 5S-FE was simple and reliable. I had my issues though, i was using the AEM FIC and it was constantly fighting with the ECU. if my ECU was ODBI it might not have been that bad.

I love my V6 swap and im very happy i did it. It was a fun learning experience and its performance it top notch. Gas mileage isn't so good but that's because i drive the piss out of it.

I really like the beams engine but like the 3sgte it scares me with parts availability.

Parts are not hard to acquire.

The common failure parts are available locally or quick order from a local store.

For example, spark wires, cap and rotor. Can all be acquired at Autozone, or advance. They'll order it, and have it to you in 3 days. Just have to find the compatible Gen2 parts that were used in the MR2.

The odd items for full maint. such as oil pump, water pump, gaskets, and other odd tidbits can be acquired by a few dealers in the US, or by a bunch of parts dealers in the UK.

This post has been edited by rave2n: May 1, 2013 - 2:33 PM

Put a v8 in it and become a real man.