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The only 4 cylinder that I've heard that sounds good is the cross-plane I4 used in the Yamaha sport bikes. I've heard a variety of exhausts for a variety of I4's and there's always rasp and harshness, it's just the degree. That includes the 7A, 5S, 3S(GTE), 22R, and so on and so forth. It's the reason I absolutely refused to touch mine, because I knew no matter how I did it it'd sound like trash. Even most 6 cylinders rasp out over 3,000 RPM or so. It's all due to the angle and firing interval. Some people like 4 cylinder exhaust, to me they're not audibly pleasing. 6's are hit and miss. 8, 10, 12, and 16 is the way to go.

This post has been edited by Box: Sep 25, 2013 - 8:11 PM

Not to say I have a problem with 4-cylinders as an engine. I'd totally take a SS-III or GT-Four, it'd just have the world's quietest exhaust system.

are chocobos I4 V6 or V8

Parallel 2.

and you are entitled to your opinion. The 2GR is a monster engine but to get it running in a celica is a ton more work. there is no getting around the DBW on the 2GR, so you need to install a gas pedal and much more wiring. plus the 2GR is a taller engine, i dont know if it will fit without a GT4 hood. And then there is cost. 2GR's are NOT CHEAP! i would actually got 3rd gen 3S instead of 2GR.

I'm not getting involved in an argument in any way, shape, or form, but I do want to share my opinion here. First things first: Ken, VVT-i on the BEAMS, 1MZ, and virtually all if not every new Toyota engine is constantly "on" and constantly adjusting from the moment you turn the key until the moment you kill the engine. It's not set to any specific timing at any specific RPM. It changes depending on throttle position, load, speed, etc. It's not to be confused with Honda's VTEC, Lift on the 2ZZ engine, or even the older VVT (not VVT-i) of the 4A-GE which are all sort of "on" and "off" in a way.

Now for my opinion... Both the BEAMS and the V6 swaps are viable choices for engine swaps. Both are good reliable engines, make considerably more power than the 5S or 7A, and really make the car a lot more fun. For the guys in California that have to pass smog, the V6 really makes a lot more sense. For guys that spend a lot of time on the track where they can keep the engine revved in high RPM's, the BEAMS makes a ton of sense. Me, personally, I want the sort of "brute" power that 300 hp at the wheels feels like, so I'm going to go with a 3rd gen 3S. It's nothing at all against the V6 swap; it's just what I want. And the guys that are doing the V6 swaps, it's what they want. It's not my place to judge, criticize, or tell them that I disagree. It's only my place to offer help where I can.

Here's my final thought on this whole matter. It doesn't matter which engine we put in our cars, as long as we are working to improve Celicas instead of putting GT wings and fake fender vents on Civics. The 3S-GTE is NOT what made the 6th gen chassis special, not will a ton of V6 swaps change the world. What made our chassis special and set it apart from other cars at the time is the AWD. What I'd like to see, as a forum, are AWD conversions. I'd love to see the day when I can go to the projects forum and see a new AWD conversion thread once a week. We have two guys working on it right now and spending their valuable time and money to help further the knowledge to do this conversion. Their labor isn't cheap and they don't ask for anything from the forum, but these guys want to see more conversions as well. I don't care if it's a 2GR or a 3S-GTE powering the wheels, but I'd love to see more conversions across the board.

^^^^^ well said sir!

Lol what was the cost of a second gen 10 years ago. Ton of wiring and custom stuff to be made. But people did it regArdless the cost.

Its called innovation. 10 years into the future its called old news. Old tech. Never said it was easy. But its the only worth swap id do. Sorry old news are old news. 1mzs belong in soccer vans, to carry bunch of kids and gatorade to football practice.

Not offending anyone. But its time to move on and accept the future.

Is anyone still using the iphone 3s. I have a 5 now.

Oh and i forgot... Its not personal. Its business....

Why don't we let the numbers speak for themselves. I'd like to see some 1/4 track times for BOTH engines...Modded and stock...

Numbers? Where we going we dont need numbers...

Except for the 1.21 gigawatts to get there.

Would be nice to have a track time averages page. That way we could average them all together for ALL of the swaps, and have it listed on a sweet sexy spread sheet.

Did someone say sexy spread sheet?

faawwwwk yea!!!

I need my velvet smoking jacket, I shall return.

I tought it was a yellow chocobo jacket....

ding ding ding....ladies, and gentelmen, we have a winner.
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Forgot to mention- Ted, that header will not fit the BEAMS, if that's what you meant by waiting until you get one. The BEAMS comes with a factory header, which is actually a good design. Toyota put some welds inside the header and a few people have chose to grind those down for minimal gains, but otherwise there are only one or two headers actually designed for the BEAMS and I haven't ever found one for sale.

yea okay!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMVGz4eZgZA

That sounds terrible IMO. I really don't like the sound of Honda engines.


Why won't it? Isn't the 3S-GE the same head as the beams? Just with different internals?