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im debating wether to get a 96 hatchback gt or pay a little less for an mkIII supra turbo. i mean i know the supra is much faster but i love the look of the 6th gens and they r pretty rare around here, i just want to know if they are gona be able to hold there own with the common cars around here. im not talkin like vets and vipers but i mean the civics and cavaliers with all show no go. so by experience is ur celica a slow car? (stock of course) o and also, is there any mods for cheap to raise around the 150 or more hp mark without turbo-ing or swapping? thnx in advance

well, last i heard the 99 GT has only 94whp stock.
a guy on here dynoed his car stock a lil while ago and came up with that.

to answer your question, yes, they r slow. some can keep up with the civics and cavi's.
I can, and all i have is a CAI, header and exhaust work.

If the Celicas r rare around there, i say get one. they r fun as hell to mod and look great.

I think 150HP is a very reachable goal for a GT. But the Supra would definately be faster. The GT has a little more HP than a civic EX (127) and about the same HP as a Cavalier (140). To answer your question yes it will keep up with those cars...but in a race among them it will be all about the driver, not the car. If it were me I'd go with the Celica... you can always mod it to suite your specific speed needs...if you go with the MKIII Supra, you'll have the speed...but there's no way you'll get the beauty of the Celica out of it. Think of it in terms of gettin da ladyz! =)

.. Civics have an engine rated at 106 lbs-ft- thats not at the wheels. Even our STs can "keep up" with civics- and in a car that weighs 600 pounds more, as stock, I usually beat Civics with intakes and exhuasts in my stock convertible- while my intake and exhuast isn't as much of an HP gain as theirs are- now it's no contest.

This post has been edited by shid: Mar 22, 2004 - 7:20 PM

Its not all about hard numbers like horsepower

toyota's engines are much better than chevrolets and nto to mention honda (torqueless wonder) the GT engine has 145lb/ft torque at like 3500rpm I think thats a hell of a lot more than the civic/cavalier i believe.

I mean hell my old neon had 135 HP and my friend chucky (bojangles_8686) destroyed me (we were both auto) that just goes to show that the numbers arent everything

depends what you compare the car to

compared to most entry level vehicles its pretty quick. lots of low end torque to make it lots of fun to drive on the street and the curb weight of the car makes it lots of fun to toss through turns.

as far as if you really wanted to get into heavily modifying it, you are at a disadvantage. the market is pretty small, and for any big gains while keeping a reliable motor, you will have to fork out some big bucks and tear the motor apart and replace quite a bit, or you would have to swap.

they are great cars all around, their performance is ample, but not going to knock your socks off.

not to mention the beautiful interior and exterior make up for any lack of speed IMO

Hey Tim, doesn't it amuse you when people always seem to compare 6th gen's to Honda's? LOL. People talk as if Honda's are the slowest cars on the planet. Or could it be because 6th gen's are on the same class level (in terms of performance) as Civics and Integras? Oh well...

the celica was created to directly compete with the integras
which it did, except for the GS-R and Type R
it actually is supposedly faster.
but then ford came out with the probe, which beat the celica, and well..yea

sad day

i second that notion... slower than most, but sexier than ANY cheap import...

i think i made my decison and i think im goin with the mkIII. i love the celica but i want a fast car that not gona get whooped up on. thnx for the info guys.

You shouldn't be street racing anyways

then mayb ill go but a big boat car haha jk.i wana go big or go home.... and goin home sucks

Celica's are the best.



-Brandon

MKiii supras arent going to blow you away either, them suckers are HEAVY... the car doesnt justify the name. IMO if i was to tune a car, id much rather start at a baseline 115HP Celica ST @ 2400LBS than a 2-- HP tank like a MKiii. its easier to add hp to a car than it is to shed weight out of one and still make it fun to drive.

test drive one of each, see which one fits ya better.

lol yea ray i hear ya
im sure this summer though im going to find myself just trying to stick with some S2000s and probable be neck and neck with some ITRs if any are out racin this year... wether it be strip or autox, hopefully ill have some fun and be able to do both.

The Celica is a fun sporty car. It will drive better and last longer than everything mentioned in this list. The best part is that a Celica, while retaining its good looks and originality, will hold its value very well in the coming years, while others may simply fall off. Pretty much all Hondas are known for this as well, and you may very well have a better time modifying a Civic to the tops, but you certainly won't be surrounded by an excellent crowd like this while doing it. Plus, you won't be doing anything original at all. Everything has been done with a Civic. Everything. Try a new combination with a Celica. Hell, do what I'm likely to start getting into--autocrossing. The Celica is great at it, and there are plenty of good suspension modifications to help get you started. Don't worry about power, there's no need to show off to the prick revving his Civic at you at the light. Turn up your stereo, look away, and drive normal. Or do what I do.. rev at him, look at him with the "let's go" look, when the light turns green, make a left/right turn. Cracks me up everytime.

-Brian

the civic ex does not have 127hp... it has 115. And mkiii supra's will be nothing like mk4 supra's. and not to mention they are old with old crappy options, and an outdated interior. The celica interior still seems pretty new and current.

in all the cars i have test driven in the past few weeks, nothing can compair to my celica in handling and looks.

i have driven 3 mk3 surpas, but all were NA's so they were pretty slow, but still faster than my car, more so when above 60mph. i want one because of the modding response

drove 2 gsx's, one was an auto that was royally ****ed. the steering was really messed up

also drove my friends 5spd, and it was awesome, just like my celica, only faster.

then a GST spyder with intake and exhaust

but in all i have driven, nothing beats the ST-T in the overall category, aside from the 02 trans am and 03 lightning, my celica was faster than cars i have test driven in the past month

Big negative partner...

DX-LX= 115HP/ 110TQ
Economy HX= 117/ 111TQ
EX= 127HP/ 114TQ
Si= 160HP/ 132TQ

i agree that mk3 supras are incredibly heavy. Even with a turbo, they arent going to accelerate all that fast (slightly slower than a fwd turbo DSM) and handling with all that weight wont be comparable to cars in its class from back then even. Watch out for beaten ones, too, if you go down that path...