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i didnt think we would actually have to clean this thread up...

Coomer, I don't know what to say. Maybe you could use a couple of more mods that can help out? But Lately I have been just checking on the site. I post when the new guy needs a question answered that I can help with. Now some of the other members could be a little more mature about things and be helpful or not post anything at all. But there are some members that probably need to be delt with severly, and we all know of a couple. I duno if you started this thread because of what Clayton posted in C.net. But I will say this about your site that you created. It is by far my fav place to come when I hop on the net. Maybe if the original guys who first came here that still post/lurk the site could help out the little guys when they need the questions answered instead of telling them to use the search opion, which is a great thing by the way, they could tell them what they are looking for and mention to them about using the search option also. I think at this point in time the amount of info that is coming into the site has slowed down a lot since a year ago. Yes this is a great place for info on our generation of car. However we realy haven't had a lot of new things/people coming into the site to add some new things.
Bryan

I'd just like to say that I really like this site. The moderators do a good job from what I can see. I am kind of disappointed when I hear people saying that this engine or that engine sucks and you should get a new one.

I have yet to go into the off topic, and the only point I can see for it is to keep it out of the real forums. Maybe you should delete the off topic forum but keep the button and link it to some other site's forums.

I guess I must be missing out on the degrading, sexist comments cause I don't go in the OT discussions. I don't have to read mindless chit chat from you just because you have the same car as me. I've got a girlfriend who gives me all the mindless chit chat I need. Just kidding, geez don't ban me.

I don't know how to solve all that high-school immaturities, but if you figure it out let me know so I can apply it to every placed I've ever worked. And if you figure out how to get rid of the stupid, degrading, or mean comments, let me know so I can apply that to the rest of my everyday life.

Thanks for the site. Nice work. Maybe you should have a small membership fee for your trouble. And anyone that did'nt have it can only post like 1 topic a month, and only reply a certain amount of times. Then they would think about what they're posting.

I don't even bother to go in the Off Topic Forum anymore, it just doesn't interest
me, now to use it as a discussion on other cars, that would be more useful.
None of us are so blinkered that we only see the Celi as the be all and end all
of cars. Some of us do like other cars aswell but are afraid to reveal this in case
they get dissed on the forum. A forum where you can do this without being made to
feel small would be cool.

As for feeling this site is becoming more "teeny", I have to agree but you
can't barr people out on age or make them feel unwelcome, "this opinion
from an oldie"

This post has been edited by jontechie: Jun 10, 2004 - 2:47 AM

Thanks for all of your comments so far. I'll take all of them(that weren't deleted ) into consideration.

I had a bit of time to cool down and just work on my Celica with no distractions and I was feeling better, but then I came in and found out that Tim had to remove some posts from this thread already. It's really, really sad when we have to remove posts from a thread such as this. But anyway, enough about that.

I think that for now we'll probably keep the off-topic forum, and we'll work on some new rules for the forums, and emphasize them more once they're done. And once those rules are completed, which should be soon, we won't hesitate to ban people who won't follow the rules, and contact their ISP and take legal action if need be.

I'm still curious to hear what everyone else thinks though.

i don't no if it's cause i log on after later than most and y'all have edited out the majority of stuff but I haven't seen anything too bad. my only suggestion would be to set up a warning system like on aol im and if they have reached a certain warning level give 'em the boot.

as far as OT goes if i go in there it's useually cause i'm just trying to pass the time and i'm looking for mindless chit chat. This is the only forum that i visit and i'm lazy so i don't wanna have to go looking for other sources of banter.

overall coom i think the site is great what questions i've asked have gotten reasonable answers and what little knowledge i have i've tried to help others.

I am the newest member I think, and as I said in my profile I love it here, I checked this site out a few times before becoming a member and learned more in 2 or 3 days than I have in 2 months from any other source. This is my first Celica and just from this site alone I already have like half a note book of info and notes just by reading other peoples posts. I my self have only posted one time, till now. While I'm on the subject of posting maybe I'm just dumb but I could not find like a rule page or something along those lines, if someone could hook me up with a link or something that would be cool, I will do my best to follow the guide lines once I read them. I would also like to ad, if you had not noticed my enthusism I really appreciate this site and all the work anyone who is involved in managing this site puts into it, and that I plan to learn a lot thanx- bobby threat

i really like this site, i have not seen anything that is disrespectful to girls, however if its there it need to be removed, and those people need to be delt with. I happen to really like the "off topic" section, I think that most of us have fun just talking abour random stuff and while i love my car sometimes it just get to be to much, and i get board with it. (rare but happens)

value of "off topic"
the off topic section is very valuable to alot of people here, its a great way to hear about things that are going on it peoples lives other then there car, and its cool to discover things that we have in common with other people, maybe make new friends. it has brought a good smile to my face when people post "useless" things there, and a great way to get things off your mind.

what to do.
I think that it would be a good idea to limit the threads down, when i enter a section it has like 1000+ topics, when people only use the first 100 if that. after some time they sould be droped, not only to save server space, but to clear up some junk.
as for the censor stuff, i think that people try to do there best, and i have noticed that many members are still in high school. but there should be a 3 striks your out think, if you offend someone, disrespect someone, or anything inapropriate, than you get a strike. that stuff is not cool. (as far as i know i have not done anything like that but if i have then i'm a good example) maybe people dont know what that they have said something rong, this site is very wide spread to many differant countries (very cool) and there are differant standards in every one, so something that may sound fine to one person may not be to another, its hard to draw that line. and i think that if there warned they can understand it better.

note: your doing a great job on this site, dont beat yourself up over the little things that are not workin out. the overall thing is better than most if not all the ones i have gone to. you and all the management should be very proud

These are the same reasons I left celica.net, childish attitudes. But then I guess when you get this many people together your bound to attract a few loosers.

I have noticed a downhill slide with the entire site. But OT feels like its dropped off a cliff. Theres times where i've gone in there and found that the same person has started 5 or 6 new threads. And they arent good threads that people want to talk about, they're completely worthless. Its a waste of space and money. And what tops it off is these people hardly ever post something informative or worth reading. Its really irritating.

Limit the thread count on OT, or limit the time span on the threads. Its totally outta control

What are you people bitching about!?!?

I don't understand this. 2 years ago when I first got my 6G Celica, I was able to talk about my car in any of the "Celica" related threads and got answers right away, if not immediatly. Too this day, I can still get those same answers immediatly. I don't see where anything went downhill in those Forums, are you people just crazy?

Off-Topic is SUPPOSE to be "Off-topic". I thought the Topic was 6G Celica's, am I right? So why is it a hassle to have "off-topic" conversation in the "off-topic" forum? So OT creates a little controversy, it would be completely boring to visit this site and not have anything else to talk about - alot of times I visit and there are no questions in the 6G Celica related Forums. Then I navigate to OT and find something to jump in on. No matter WHERE you go, OT is a no-holds-bar Forum. Thats the POINT to OT, its ALWAYS going to be the POINT to OT. You have to deal with it as long as its there, and you can't get irritated about it. If it does get out of hand, you simply do what needs to be done about it and forget about it. Thats how OT is, thats how it should be.

Also, I admit that i've made some stupid comments in the 6G Celica related forums just to get a rise out of people, but that's maybe 5% of the time I do post in the Celica Related forums. I've helped ALOT of people in those Forums, and I still do. 95% of the time i'm completely serious in trying to help them, if I go from being stupid and silly in OT, i'll go to being serious and trying to help people in the Related Forums. I've helped alot more people on the Forums than most of you, i've been a member since before we even had body kits. And look, I don't even have a 6G Celica anymore (<3 my GT-S), and i'm still here - because alot of the people here are good friends/family.

Leave Off-Topic to OT people. It gets opinions out, it gets controversy going, which gets very good opinions from people, and lets people share their honest views on some things. It creates arguments, arguments are good as long as its healthy, and not "**** you, **** your mom, and **** your wife.. twice and we are having a condom baby.". The world is based on arguing and debating, and thats what OT is 50% of the time.

This post has been edited by Jason: Jun 10, 2004 - 8:46 AM

Here is my $.02.

Although I agree with the comments about O.T., I also think its harmless - its off topic. People that do not want some mindless distraction need not visit that section of the site.

The real problem from my perspective is the hostility in the on-topic sections. We need to recognize that not everyone has the same level of expertise with these cars. The longer you are on these forums, do other research, and talk to others, the more you learn. However, we all start with knowing nothing. What is really discouraging to me is that the most knowledgeable and talented members are often times the ones who are the most critical of questions from new people. Quite frankly, this site needs you guys. That is what automotive enthusiast forums are for - to obtain and share information. If the answer to a question is "this has been asked a million times, use your search button you idiot", a number of things happen. (1) the guy will probably not come back - and if you dont care about that then; (2) you sound harsh and mean; (3) no useful information was shared; and (4) others that have a similar question in the future will find this thread when they are searching and not get any useful information.

I have noticed that when a question is asked that has been asked dozens of times before, it usually comes from someone very new to the site. These people simply do not know the importance of searching yet. Also, it can be difficult at first to even know the proper terms (e.g. whats the difference between a strut and a shock?). If a guy needs to learn to use the search button, lets tell him but not degrade him. Better yet, lets get him started with the answer and point him in the right direction.

i agree with this 100%

As a girl its hard to go to any Car site cuz it feels like "hey forget waht your car looks like. Show a picture of yourself first"

ill admit ive staged selling my car cuz i didnt wanna be on the boards so that maybe a month later i could sign on as someone else most likely a guy from oregon and people wouldnt know. it feels like im the most mistreated girl on the site. How bad is that that i would think of doing that so then i could maybe get a lil respect??!!
Ive also thought about PMing coomer a few times int he past week to just erase my account cuz some guys get pretty rude with their comments. Im not the only one who feels that i get the most crap. I have people form this site I IM with who also recognize that i get the most trash talked to.



i also recognize that some of the downright OT topics stem from me. I.E. my day of 15 topics. I think a lil bit better moderating needs to be done. if its down right OUT THERE - please see DO YOU IRON YOUR MONEY! then erase it!!!

i know the moderators sometimes shouldnt have to go in and moderate. Most of us are over the age 16 if not over the age of 18 and should be a lil more mature even though it is off topic (me included)

also i think we need a delete your own topic button. I know a lot of my topics would be gone cuz they start to get out of control

This post has been edited by BlackCelicaGT94: Jun 10, 2004 - 10:12 AM

This is just a suggestion, but maybe you should have a 3 strikes and you're out rule or suspended or somethin. If Coomer or a Moderator sees a member on the site that is being disrespectful to another, you give him 3 strikes and depending on the severity of the penalty, you guys could either kick that member off the site or just suspend him for a week or so. Each member could have a lil bar under their name that keeps count of their warning status or something. Its just a suggestion that i think could help keep things under check.

The main reason why i think that the off-topic section is gettin out of hand is simply because more and more people are getting more knowledgable of the 6g celicas and cant find much to talk about in the other sections of the forum, so you should feel good about that Coomer cuz that means your website is doing its job. Just my suggestions.

ive been to alot of forums and this forum is def one of my fav's

mainly b/c of the people. i now got to a integra form b/c i have one and everytime you post something you get flamed for not searching. you search then post, you still get flamed for not searching "enough". in my opionon some new topics are stupid....but sometimes they go too far. here tis not like that. we help them out THEN suggest using the search.

just put some restriction on OT.....

uhh yea some people on here really need to get some a$$ for themselves, b/c u cant live off of 6gc girl posts....

I love this web site.....

The off-topic forum to me should have "off topic" things in there....isn't that the whole point? If you don't want random things being posted in there...then it should be called "off-topic, BUT dont post anything off-topic!" or something like that lol...Someone mentioned labeling it "garbage"...um thats the same thing as off-topic! lol

Anyway, aren't web forums a place for people to express their ideas & opinions w/ eachother?.....If ya dont want to hear peoples random,helpless, AND OR pointless (but entertaining ) opinions then you mind as well just get rid of the site

With that being said....Coomer.... please forgive us for our childish/highschool ways, I agree that the fighting & "my car is better than your eveything" needs to stop....But I think that has to do w/ a lot of the members on here being teenagers......(i guess thats where acting like high school kids comes from lol) Yet I agree, there is still no excuse for any of it!


I like the 3 strikes idea! I was thinkin the same thing
OK......thats my opinion..... lol

I don't post much, but I read and am entertained by this site religiously on a daily basis. Personally, this site is incredible. Questions can be easily answered, most people are friendly and cool and know tons of information. I've both bought and sold stuff to people I've met in the forums - the whole concept is amazing. A couple things I've picked up on that kinda bother me are:

1. Reposts. Please read the stickys in each forum. People post a lot of the same question and a good majority of them can be answered in the stickys or in the databases.

2. Newbies and how they're treated. We all had to be one at one point! Most of #1 comes from new people and the way that they're answered with trite one-liners, ie "learn how to use the search function" really gets old. Understand that people aren't as well versed with the etiquette or abilities of the site when they're new...it happens, don't jump all over people for making a mistake.

3. "Photochopping." For God's sake! Quit telling people that their stuff is photoshopped. I can't count how many times somebody posts pics of something cool they've done or found and then their post gets all ripped to shreds with people attempting to figure out if its real or not.

4. I was waiting for someone to bring up the female situation. I also noticed most new females who come to the site aren't greeted very nicely. Yeah most of us are guys (my guess is just about everyone is 23 and below or so) and we all know how we can get. But yeah, most of the time a girl joins or posts a topic or a pic is posted of a girlfriend or a meet with a girl happening to be in a photo etc. the topic gets kinda out of control.

5. We can't hear each other. You've got to take just about everything with a grain of salt. We can't hear how people are saying things or what mood they're in when they type something. I'm extremely sarcastic, but that's way hard to pick up in just typing. It helps with escalating problems to not retaliate, just move on...or better yet, if you think you might be posting something hostile...maybe refrain???

Anyway, I agree we need some cleanup around here, hope those can help a bit. For the most part though, I tip my hat to Coomer for the awesome Celica community he and other's have created. Keep up the good work.

The irony of your post.....
(you may delete this as well, I just wanted to point this out to any mods who may find some type of irony in his post that isn't necessary)

This post has been edited by Andason: Jun 10, 2004 - 12:13 PM

we do have a warning system, but i guess only the mods see it, is that right coomer?

i agree OT has its purpose, but the posts in it need a purpose. just because its off-topic doesnt mean it doesnt need a topic, if you want to mindless chitchat hop on the chat room. Off topic is for topics other than a 6th gen celica. just because the forum is named off topic does not mean it will be run like every other messageboards' off topic forum.