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The AWD turbo Matrix is a 3sgte

not in the US

okay. wow, this is a sad start to my day. I dunno what to say, I mean after seven generations Toyota discontinues the Celica in favor of a mere trend (Scion). you know what though, as sad an event as this is, it gives me even more encouragement to popularize the sixth gen celica.

This is unfortunate but it was on the cards. Reason being is that the japanese are buying more mini mpvs and thats where the market lies.

also many of the people on the site say they feel betrayed by toyota. However if youre a company like toyota would you create a car in order to get teenagers happy about it who cant really afford it? The GT4 in the uk was priced at £30000, can anyone here afford to spend even $30000 on a car? as far as the supra goes that would cost anywhere between 40 and 60000 dollars. How many would they sell? very few, and there no kudos because toyotas are no longer in rally championships/touring car.

Its all business at the end of the day and if we could afford to spend 60000 on a car we wouldnt be in 6 gens. Toyota knows this so theres no point in making a car that doesnt sell.

True. But they do sale 4WD versions in the US today, and you can get turbos through TRD specifically for them. Looks like they're leaning that way.

True in the past. Rumor has it that if Toyota is going to release another Supra it will be in the RX8/350Z range, starting around $29k-$30K. For some of the Supra concepts I've seen, I'd pay it.

People are going with the super compact boxy look these days I guess, The beetle, Scion etc....

Must be a fad, really who likes driving around in a box.....

What kills me is how it's a trend with these boxy/semi SUV/hatch-back-whatever cars that Toyota seems to be gearing towards...when there's the larger trend of all-wheel drive turbo cars (WRX, Lancer, etc). Where does the All-Trac and GT4 fit in??? Right with that trend. Hands down Toyota was stupid to not bring the GT4 to the US because they would have been the trend setter before Subaru and Mitsubishi came along. Now they won't even have a sporty car in their line at all! Toyota's loss for being stupid. I'm glad I'll own a unique car now.

exactly - i would have bought back the GT4/all-trac and gave the celica another shot man

if it costs that, it will be crap. probably naturally aspirated with a v6. Probably more a 'looker' than a real performer. When the rx7/supra/skyline was first made they all costed around $60k, they lost money on them but they made them to cause pride in the brand. Now car companies are targeting a different market sector.

they brought the 185 in and none of you guys bought it!! why then would they bring in the 205?? its a loss maker, in every other country wrc is quite famous, so they knew it would sell.

You're right, but I was 9 when the All-Trac came out and love the 6th Gen style way much more than the 5th...but yeah, US people not buying obviously had to do with not bringing the GT4 over.

how can toyta say that celicas are not bringing in sales... every day i easily see 20-30 celicas and i live in a small town. and about them not bringing back an expensive car becuase noone can afford it... wrx sti is only 30 something.... why does toyota have to suck choad. they are going to lose the segmant of the market to honda those jerkoffs....its pathetic, honda will have more sport cars than toyota. heck a civic will be sportier than toyotas sportiest car.... thats just sad. they need to have some pride in their company, a supra, awd celica. ANYTHING.... bah to toyota. ill end up buying an acura, honda, or something else in the future...scions suck and so do matrixes, i dont want to drive around in a box

Of those 20-30 celicas.... compare those to Camrys. If I were Toyota, Id do the same. Object goal is to make money, not to make teenagers with a 10-yr old car budget happy. Dont bash the Scion until you've been in it, and dont lie and say you have. The Tc looks very promising... almost like a rebirth 6th gen. Yes more angles, but thats ok. I think Toyota needs one sports car to look forward to. Something to compete with Nissan/Mazda/Mitsu/Honda. Something around the 35 grand mark. Nissan is the 350z (we dont have the skyline). Mazda is a n/a rx8. Mitsu is a turbo evo, and honda has there type-r and s's. I'll look forward to Toyotas new 35 grand car.

Personally, I'm not convinced by the announcement. I don't see Toyota choosing to simultaneously kill off the Celica and MR2/S. That's a big risk for them to take. Killing off one series and finding out down the line you were wrong would be costly, never mind two. And there's the possibility of the Supra being left in limbo since nothing I've heard about a new one has struck me as being 100% concrete, though I'm certainly hopeful.

The Celica hasn't been the biggest seller the world has ever seen. It's always been seen as the "individual's choice" and not necessarily the choice of the masses. That said, it's always been very popular with the people who do "get it" and got good reviews. More importantly, the Celica has often been the testing ground for Toyota's latest bit of technology (the most obvious of course being VVTi/VVTLi since they're the most recent). And since it's been around so long you know it's got to have paid its dues with Toyota otherwise it wouldn't have made it to 7 generations. SO DON'T KILL IT OFF!

As for the MR2...Toyota, that sold like hot-cakes that have been recently marked down to half-price, ever since its arrival in the mid-80s. Toyota put exhaustive effort into perfecting the car, the result of which is the MR2 series being viewed as one of their finest technical achievements. Take the SW20. The only reason it stopped selling in the US when it did is because someone decided to discontinue it there. It would've carried on stomping away in the sales figures for ages if it had just been left alone, like it did in other territories. So suddenly terminating the series sounds bizarre.

They might get rid of them, and they might mean forever...right now at least...I've seen statements like that made before in the car industry and the "dead" model often makes a comeback X years later. They might only get rid of them in certain territories, or it might not happen at all. Either way if they do do it, for any period of time, it will certainly be a shame. The 6GC (particularly the ST205) has been my fave car since the generation launched.

Well, that's my 2 cents for what it's worth. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to fill Toyota's Inbox with all the E-mail my fingers can muster, just in case...

How many sports cars do you see for sell in the $60K range in the US today. Very few. For that you can get a fairly well off Corvette and.... In the $30K range you have the 350Z, RX8, S2000, Evo, WRX STi, Mustang Cobra.... All have been well acclaimed for their performance/value. The Days of the $60k+ sports cars are over for the time being. The people that can afford them go for Porche and Vette which they can get for a bit cheaper, or they jump to the $100K+ mark.
Sorry to kill any dreams of a sub 100K super car, but those days are over. I think we can live with vehicles in the 300-400hp range for a while.

my 3c

dammit i want an MR2-S too.....

Well people i need to tell you the following. Toyota produces quite a lot of cars and the Celi may be discontinued for U.S. but it can remain in other markets. I have an uncle who is a used japanese car importer and he has a book with all the current japanese models (all makes) let me just say that 90% of the cars i saw in there i never knew they existed. One thing is for sure. Toyota will have a full product range covering one way or another the whole market.

Food for thought. How many people do you know that bought their Celi brand new?
Personally, none.

I think Toyota will come up with a nice car if they really decide to drop the celica line. One of the examples is a Toyota (WILL VS) I saw here in Moscow. It has a 1800cc engine and 180 hp. It's for sale only in japan but some are brougt to Russia by people who like sport cars. I'm not saying that it looks better then a 6gen, I'm just hoping that all is not as bad as it seems.

The Will looks kinda like a next variant Matrix. Does look better that what they've got now. With some redesigns to the rear I'd take one. Time will tell.

Dude, WTF!!!!


There is no AWD 3S Matrix anywhere in the world unless someone did it custom....

What are you smoking? Please tell me your not talking about about the Caldina, cause that is no where near what the Trix is... the Matrix was made and design exclusive for the NA market.

Absolutely agree, dude
But u know there ar so many American think wrong that the JDM Caldina is the US version Matrix. That is completely wrong!!
Actually, we can't use this **** to compare a complex car with 4th gen 3S-GTE engine in Japan.

wrong thread please delete

This post has been edited by uzthedentist: Aug 10, 2004 - 3:00 PM