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so you are saying that it would be better to just kill the kid because he has a problem... im sorry he couldnt be perfect for you.

^ Its not a kid yet. its just an egg.

If I got a girl pregnet I would hope should would tell me, mainly because I would never want to make a girl go throw a situation as big as that alone, and it takes 2 to make a baby, which means that both people have a say in it. Although the girl has the biggest say maily because its her body and she has to do the most work. anyway I'm all for abortions because if you cant handle the responsobility or cant provide for a chiled then its not fair to that chiled to grow up like that, you see every day thoes comertials about kids digging though dumpters and having no food, most dont live long anyway its very sad to make a baby grow up like that, there are too many already that have to live in foster homes or on the streets.

personlay I take the whole "baby making" very seriously, and I dont have 1 night stands, because I know that I'm not in a position where I can handel a baby or everything that involves.

rape is a compleatly diff thing, its a horrible act and in that situation how on earth could you force the victum to have that chiled maid out of pain and suffering and only going to cause more pain and suffering, and live a horrible life.

you have to understand that not everyone has what we have, we take so many things for granted. So many people have nothing and are hardly able to support them selves yet alone a baby.


LOL, nice. but not a problem if you stop early right?

This post has been edited by creis: Nov 27, 2005 - 11:51 PM

So i predict... let's see... 20 more posts before this one is locked.

Haha, that's what I was thinking and what I was afraid of. But that'll be if Natalie and dlx continue. Probably in another 8-10 post.

Well like I mentioned when I 1st started this thread, every1 has their own opinion. Lets just accept it and not turn this into a war.

David

i think i can agree with everyone. yes, abortion is killing. natalie brings up a good point. if u cant bring it up, or it causes complications, or in the instance of rape, i believe that women should have more than one option to do what they feel is in their best interest. true, we have been doing alot of things since we have become more technologically advance, and people who's beliefs are still traditional are hard to convince otherwise. but we still do what we gotta do to survive.

i can also disagree too. abortion is killing. but what exactly are we killing. it hasnt been born, it may not even have a heartbeat, it might not even have taken shape yet. so sperm and egg joined and theres a chemical reaction that initiates a sequence of instructions. we know what will happen and we stop it. millions of unwanted babies are born every year. overpopulation, scarce resources, u know what happens.....of course, if ur mom had an abortion then u wouldnt be born, but thats not the case. u cant talk about the past. if anything changed in the past, it would create an alternate future anyways. what if some lady 20 years ago didnt have an abortion, and her daughter became the love of ur life.....but u cant talk about that because it didnt happen. u cant talk about things that didnt happen. what if there wasnt a big boom. none of us would even be here. but thats not the case. what everyone is concerned about in abortion is the future. we are trying to shape the future into something better for ourselves. just living and breathing today shapes the way our future ancestors will live. we dont want overpopulation and poverty, do we? people will fight over things and wars will break out. every little thing we do now creates a ripple.

so what if im pro choice. to me, those people who are pro life are advocating sex, correct? if u are truly FOR life, you want babies to pop up everywhere and encourage people to have sex so that humans can populate everywhere. reminds me of hippies. "live!! be free!!" yet they fail to see reality because theyre blinded by their own incompetence. just because people are pro choice doesnt mean that they are against life. but, people who are pro life are against choice, and choice is what makes us better at making a sound decision because we acknowledge our options that are available to us at that point in time.

im for it.
the girl isnt - she's christian.
just take the steps of using BC and that cool thing called polyeurothane

This post has been edited by Blakout16: Nov 28, 2005 - 3:36 AM

That's exactly my problem with abortion. All the cases that I personally know about are young white girls with money who didn't feel ready to have a baby. They were irresponsible and used it as birth control. All the poor girls I knew who got pregnant at a young age had their babies. Everyone always argues that it's good because people who can't afford to bring a child into the world should have a way out, but that's not who normally has an abortion, at least from what I've seen. It's for irresponsible rich kids who still need to party for a few years before becoming responsible.

~AN ABORTION IS AN ABORTION NO MATTER THE SITUATION ~ EXCUSES ARE EXCUSES ~

America's freedoms are being trampled upon, women should have the right to make a choice. Freedom is choice, I'm so tired of people thinking they know better and telling other people what to do. You have a problem with it? Thats fine, nobody is forcing you to do something you dont wanna do so how about those who think what they think is better or more right or should be done that way maybe you shouldnt make someone do something that they dont wanna do.

Yeah, what happened to the good ol' days when I could go kill someone 'cause they can't function in society or because their mother didn't want them or wasn't ready for them? What gives her more rights than me?
At what point is it no longer ok to kill a baby? right before it's delivered? a month before? 2 months? When is the baby defined as a human being? At conception? When it has a heartbeat? When it can move on it's own?
I believe that life begins at conception. That is when life starts. Without the egg and sperm meeting there would be no life.
To end a life is murder.

The only times I think an abortion should ever be considered is when there are complications in the pregnancy and the womans life is in danger or if she was raped. Other than that, She should take responsibility for her actions. She knows the consequences she should deal with them.

Y THE HELL DO ALL U GUYS KEEP SAYING HER THIS HER THAT Y DOESNT THE GUY HAVE A SAY IT TAKES TO NOT JUST HER !!!!!!!!!!!!!! IF U CANT HANDLE THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF HAVING A KID THEN DONT HAVE SEX OR BE SMART ABOUT IT .... THIS SUBJECT GETS ME GOING NO ONE WILL EVER AGREE ON THIS THATS THE WAY ARE WORLD IS .... SADLY TO SAY

everyone is just stating their opion this is all i have to say i have 22 month old boy once you have a kid then you can state your opoin most of the people on here that are talking are under the age of 20 im not siding either way but it should be a joint answer from both the mother and father of the baby oh and its a life once the sprem enters the egg

This post has been edited by nik: Nov 28, 2005 - 4:08 PM

First, caps lock, take it off.

Second, its the womans body, it is ultimately her choice.

Third, Wannabe, you've already changed the context of this argument and I am not arguing about whether its ok to kill human beings I am saying it is the freedom of choice which is the debate. You dont see PRO DEATH or PRO KILLING do you? You see Pro Choice. I feel very strongly about the way this country is being led and its direction is not towards more freedoms and more choices but less and more restrictions. The bottom line is, you do not have the right to tell someone what they can and cannot do with their own bodies. A baby is part of its mother part of her body until it is born. Dont get me wrong, I do not think an abortion is right after a certain amount of time, however within a time limit I think a mother has the ultimate decision whether or not to keep it.

On the other hand, someone said oh the father has no right to the decision? Well if he DOESNT want it, ands he DOES, whose decision is it ultimately? Hers! So dont bring that up ever again, its null and void.

Super, the point I was making is that there should be no choice except under extreme circumstances.

Pro Choice is the same as Pro Death / Killing. The choice is wether or not to kill a baby.

Her choice should have been made at the same time she had sex.

It's not part of her body. It's in her body.

Saying that it's ok to kill the baby because it's part of her body is like saying my siamese twin is part of my body so I think I'm going to kill him because it'd be easier for me to live.

This post has been edited by WannabeGT4: Nov 28, 2005 - 5:00 PM

luckily I don't believe people have souls and the experiences in life are what make them so if a fetus is aborted its nothing to celebrate about but I'd rather that than a unloved or uncared for child (this world has enough of those)

~ABORTION IS AN ABORTION EITHER WAY U WANNA BELIEVE ITS RIGHT OR WRONG ~ I WAS JUST STATING MY OWN OPION THATS ALLLLL ~ AND U WONT UNDERSTAND UNTIL U HAVE A KID~

I agree with Super! You cant tell someone what they can or cant do with their body...

except for cases such as someone with Cerebal Palsby or something of that sorts!

anyways as a girl i want the choice to be there so if i was raped i could have an abortion...if i went around having sex with no condom and no bc and got pregnant then yeah i most likely would keep the baby cuz im most likely having sex with someone I love and if they dont wanna be a part of that babies life then TO HELL WITH THEM and i wont try get any money from them cuz they dont wanna be there so why try make them attached to the child in any way

mmmmk, Hi caps lock. I don’t think anyone is debating what and abortion is… we all know an abortion is an abortion… so I really don’t know why you keep saying that.
Second, everyone says HER because the woman is the one who has to go through 9months of carrying a child; they have to deal with changes in their bodies, and labor and all that. Someone correct me if I’m wrong here but I’m pretty sure that’s the gist of that.

Ok so the topic is moving in too many directions here. This is a question of if someone has the freedom to choose, not if it is right or wrong. That is your opinion. I have mixed feelings on the issue concerning if it is right or not, but I do think that you should have the right to choose what you want to do with your life; it doesn’t mean I condone it. I also think with the right information, availability of birth control, condoms, promoting safe sex, and the morning after pill, there won’t be a high demand for abortions. And I think that’s all I have to say right now.

Um, wow. This is a very touchy subject, and I don't think anybody is ever going to agree on the issue.
As a pharmacist, I see many people come in for the morning after pill. Recently, one customer stated that she had an abortion two weeks ago, and wanted the morning after pill now.
The issue is very sensitive, and I think should be dealt with on a case by case basis. If people are being irresponsible and having unprotected sex, then do you think they are going to be responsible as parents? No, of course they aren't. Is this fair on a child?
I personally don't think it is fair on the baby to be bought into the world as a mistake, when the parents will resent the baby. Rape cases are the perfect example. If the parents think they can cope with a baby, then yes, by all means, abortion is wrong.
Everybody is already offended by what has been said on this post, and will probably be offended by what I have just said. But just remeber, everybody is entitled to an opinion. Your opinion is yours and yours alone.

This is just one of thoes things the general public has no right to control, nor the goverment, eveyone should have the choice to keep or not keep a baby regardless of the situation it was created in and regardless of how rich or poor they are, and we all need to respect the choice people make regardless of how we feel about it. Obviouly thoes who take advantage of abortions need to be edgucaded in the risks of taking sex to lightly, and the risks of haveing repeited abortions, and or multiple sex partners.