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I will be getting a redtop Beams 3SGE in my Celica around mid-May. But I'm curious as to which engine really is better. I mean, if the ST205 was the exact same engine except no turbo, how much HP would it put out approximately, compared to the already NA Beams. I think Beams puts out 200HP(please correct me, if wrong...)? Thanks. I guess maybe what I'm trying to figrue out is if you stuck some low-comp pistons in the Beams and some other minor mods and the same CT26 or CT20 turbo, would it have more horses and be more powerful than the factory ST205?

Also, I'm real stuck between the Beams and 4AGE blacktop 6 speed. What would you guys choose? and why? Price isn't an issue and both engines will be left stock, maybe minor mods(Intake, Headers, Exhaust)...

Some advantages I see with the blacktop is that since my car is a coupe, I already have a tiny bit of weight advantage over a hatchback and the blacktop being a 1.6L will keep me at lower weight and it has 6speeds.

ya but the 6spd is a rwd tranny so it wont work

There is NO competion between the two motors. C'mon... completely different classes. There's nearly a 40hp difference between the two. Obviously the Beams is the better motor. Also... you CANNOT compare the Beams to the 3SGTE. Let's say you put low comp pistons in the Beams and turbo charge it... it will NOT make significantly more power than a regular 3SGTE because it's basically the same thing. One of the MAJOR reasons the beams makes as much power as it does is due to its high compression. If you negate that... it's not a 200hp motor anymore.

i'd go with the beams. its newer and faster (right?). and what are you gonna do with 6 gears anyways. but if money's not an issue, you can do whatever you want.

i thought you were gonna turbo? what happened?

I would've to say beams.
They look beautiful in the engine bay.
Definiately one of the best n/a motor you can put in a 6gc.

i would say 3sge beams
thats my dream engine, NA engine is my style

3sge beam on ebay

celicaZR showed me that, i drool over it for a while

If only i had the money

NaKeD

my brother has a corolla 1998 with the black top 6speed and i have the ss-iii with the beams engine so i know VERY good both of the engines... 6peed is fun but in the 3-4 gear the power betwin the beams and the 4a-ge is HUGE!!!! i've onced raced my brother car.. i was driving the corolla 4a-ge and a friend of mine my car and the difference was big... my car won (beams) both cars were stock at the time...

This post has been edited by maikl: Mar 2, 2006 - 11:41 AM

i say beams cuz they look prettier

and cuz its faster stock form

bboy

i love beams, but i'd go black top, its like 1/3 of the price for the beams:S

why isn't the 4age and other motors covered in the info-section. just wondering, cuz it only talks about the 3sfe, 3sge and 3sgte motors...aside from the USDM ones.

i was sleepy when i read this. I thought your comparing the alteza 3s vs the celica 3s.


why would you want a 4a? its a smaller engine.

i dont see why we need to discuss this? the choice is blatant.

its like asking any car enthusis. Do you want a 4 banger or a v6?

4AGE is just as good a motor though. You can't possibly base which motor is "better" by only looking at displacement and peak power output.

4AGE's are possibly one of the most well engineered, performance designed 4 cylinder N/A motors ever built by Toyota. I would love to have a BEAMS, but I really think that for the money the 4AGE would be a better choice. Its significantly cheaper and you can get your hands on a ton of parts for 4AGE motors of any type these days.

for the money the 3sge cost you can get a 3sgte front clip, that way you can have all the parts you need for your swap ...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDM-3SGTE-S...1QQcmdZViewItem

you should really say in the pole if they're feasible. i believe there's only one swapped beams celica in north america so not much references and literature. hope you're good with cars or you have an amazing mechanic that knows toyotas

Both swaps are very feasible... i'm not too good with cars but i do have an amazing mechanic that knows toyotas...Dr. Tweak.

I think ure confusing the blacktop 4age with the blacktop beams... very differenti was. i still have all the parts but i got in an unexpected debt and i figured im better off getting a new engine, so i figured, why not get a new engine that's better than the 7a? eventually ill go turbo with whichever engine i go with. that TRD blacktop 4agte looks real nice.

your not gonna wanna turbo the beams..

i didnt think i had to get so specific. of course, id be putting low comp pistons and little mods here and there to make the turbo work. i wouldnt turbo a 11:1 compression motor... c'mon man.lol.

u took him from me, damn you. haha