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do you have links for those f20 in a 86 and k20 in a mrs deals? I'll love to check them out.
I'm not really a hardcore toyota guy or a honda guy or nissan, mazda, etc. I mean i love toyota more than honda but why bash honda? they are amazing just like toyotas. (...honda people do take good pictures thou... )

but yeah, i love both companies, and all other companies. Can i just say, i have respect for all cars. even geo's and crappy korean cars. <---- I still have respect for them

Well... It's not that far fetched I guess. I remember seeing a post of a Honda civic or something with a 3sgte dropped in it.

why is everyone so angry? a h22 in a celica would be a great idea. If you want to Stay N/A and dont want to swap to a beams. The h22 would be the perfect engine.

You would need custom motor mounts; Which is not hard because honda parts are everywhere. You would been custom axels. Wiring for the engine is less complex then the 3sgte or the beams. You can easily find a h22 wire diagram. You would need to use a honda gauge cluster.

Anything is possible with money. The celica isnt really a "light" body car. Its lightish, but its nothing special. I can forsee a lot of problems with this idea if you plan to run it over a long period of mileage. Its a lot of custom fabbed parts that won't be optimized or specialized for a purpose: fabbed parts for this kinda thing are usually just made to "make it work" not for durability and longevity.

Of course, more importantly would it even fit in the celica without causing cramping? You might run into heat problems, not to mention having to custom make a downpipe as well.

In fact the more I think of it the more problems keep coming to mind that would just cause excessive wear to other components in the car. You'd also be stranded and on your own completely if something broke down, no mechanic anywhere would touch that without huge sums of money for custom work. The whole thing would be a pain in the ass.

And as has already been said, 3sgte is more power for less and an easier swap. Its superior on all levels. If you want to use the honda engine though, why not use a honda car?

Oh and of course, it would be highly illegal and probably eventually impounded and crushed if you used it for anything other than sanctioned racing courses and auto shows for any period of time. Then byebye tons of money invested in a car that wouldnt retain the value anyways.

i like the way you put it smlogg, you flamed him but in a more intelligent way. I dont agree with putting a honda motor in a celica either i dont want to be mean aobut it and honestly dont see nothing wrong with honda its just i know just like me everyone on this forum has a lot of pride and their celicas and toyota and really dont care to hear about trying to put antoher companies engine in ours. but ya i like the way you put it its a cool way of saying its a stupid idea

well theres a difference between constructive critisim and flaming, flaming is always easier, that being said, anubis your comment wasn't needed at all.

I've owned celica for 4 year and loved toyotas for more, I'm just not all square minded about being 100% toyota or anything, I'm pride of owning my celica for all the reason you can think of, but one reason isn't "because it's not a honda".

Frankly I don't understand the way people reacted to my idea, kinda like shocked, its not like crossing brands is anything new, toyota makes the vibe, and yamaha co-developped the 3sge/3sgte head and toyota sold the cavalier under its name, doesnt make it a bad thing. You should be more open minded than wrapped in your safe toyota bubble.

That being said, yes I agree its probably more trouble than what its worth for, but its not a reason to get all bully bully about it.

[/end] this is going nowhere...


This post has been edited by Rayme: Apr 7, 2006 - 7:21 PM

I see nothing wrong with intermixing breeds.
I had a 54 ford F100 with an Olds 455.
My second favorite behind my Celi.
Mad props if you get it done. I wanted
a 7AGZE but with all the cost I would rather
do a 3S swap. There is no such thing as a
crazy idea, if you want it swap it.

Honda haters.... chill.

Totally Agree...I want a 7AGZE too but my brother keeps on telling me it would be hella money and not cost efficient
Maybe a 7AGZE in a AE92 Sedan

...square minded? so people who love thier cars is being square minded. look man no one hates honda, but being realistic a honda motor sawp in a toyota just isnt a good idea unless you want to waste money. The people here flammed you ere cause if you know anyhting about the celica is that you could get a whole lot more for your money by swapping a 3s (more power and def cheaper to swap). Unless you are trying to prove something by putting a honda motor in a celica why would you waste the money. but ne wayz man you presented the idea to everyone here and forgive us for flamming you or being mean but you asked everyone what they thought and they told you. I dont want to sound mean or nuttin but its a waste of green man. but all in all its your car and your money, you are free to do what ever you want with it. (no hard feelings man we're all cool here at this forum)

holy **** ppl chill out !

keep it simple

is the H22 swap in a 6th worth it?
-no

why?



+ other constructive arguments

end of discussion

alright, lets end this on a funny note

hey man no hard feelins seriously. we all have our differences right?

Crazy Idea .. Not as crazy as you might think... can an h22 drop into a celi .. (lude FWD / Celi FWD) yes...

the way i would start this off would be to basiacly strip down the front end of the celi ... take your h22 an its transaxle with mounts and messure everything twice... an then 10 times after that before an tapping an weldding is done... I would go with 100 percent custome axles... honda inners/toyota outers... after the engine transmission mounts are set and ready to bolt on to the frame ... an custom axles are produced.. more on to exhuause ... which should be that had to do with the right mufflure shop... an don't forget you might need a custome underbody cross memeber .. as for the transmission linkage ... make your own .. not that out of the world to do ... drop me a not if you want to know how ...

electrical ... i would goe with a full stand alone unit to handle the engine/tranny .... figuering out what sensor sends what signal to what shouldn't be that hard if you have common sense an can read... this is where you can have fun with the ignition system .. play around with timing .. your air fuel mix... have fun .. see what works for you and feels right ...

i have always like the H22 motor... response great to mods an would be a great N/A motor to drop into the celi ...

now on a side note let me through another crazy idea your way .. an rsx type-s with exstream rear end damage ... but it for a few grand .. an you have a whole front clip with a K20 you can drop into a celi .. . ;-)

Yeah man do what you want. I think it'll be a fun project. Not as easy as the 3s swap which is becoming more common place. I mean it will be a one of a kind and it does have excellent N/a potential.

DOn't listen to all the jack@$$es on this site bashing you for original thinking. It was their thinking that kept the world flat, no overnight shipping, no aircraft, and most important, unsliced bread.

So Kudos to you and your ideas. If it works it works, and like you said swapping b/w makes of cars has been done for a long time and will continue to happen.

Ps. I honestly can't believe that this thread became a soap box for people to just bash Rayme. I mean come on, this is exactly why people leave this site and never come back. I honestly hope that most of you do the right thing and apologize for your VERY RUDE comments. VERY UNCOOL people

This post has been edited by Jeremy1210: Apr 12, 2006 - 7:53 AM

What about the 3S-GE red-top? woudl be a much easier swap compared to a h22

i think everyone can agree that most car lovers (expecially in imports) - like to see honda motors in honda cars, and toyota motors in toyota cars. The swap would ultimately be impractical (for all reasons stated above), but a good alternative is a red/or black top beams motor. Crossing brands is not really ethical in the import tuning world, at least imho, and tons of custom work would be needed to do nething like that anyway. So why not just look at a 20v 4a-ge, 5s-gte, 5s-gze, 3s-gte, 3s-ge beams (black or red)... all respectable motors, and all toyota = all easier to swap in than a random honda motor . Ultimately it would just be impractical, and you would never get any respect from any devoted tuner (honda fan, or toyota fan). I'd actually love to see this thread locked down by admins, just the thought is so "out-in-left-field"

whoever said to put an H23 in, well, bad idea. For the money you would do that swap for you wouldn't gain much, the H23 only has 160hp and after having my Prelude SI with the H23 I wasn't that impressed with it.

As for swapping an H22 in, that would be pretty cool. While I don't think I woudl do it myself, I would love to see it done and the custom work that it would take to make it possible. I hope you're a good machinist/welder or have a big wallet.

And on the money issue, I've never really understood why some people on here drop so much money in their cars with swaps and all. I would just prefer to buy a different car lol