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HTR FWD BUILD UP, FWD Beast

Mar 9, 2007 - 4:21 PM
HARDTARGET View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Feb 20, '07 From W.P.B, FL Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%)	QUOTE(lagos @ Mar 9, 2007 - 3:40 PM) [snapback]534766[/snapback] so whats the story behind your rwd car? why are you building a fwd one if you already have a 9sec celica? The FWD car is the RWD car now, it's the same car. Im building the green one for the street "won't be driven every day" but will be able to run in the NHRA sport FWD class, that's why im building it. The story with the RWD is i'm in the process of building a 2007 RWD Scion TC and the RWD celica is almost sold. This post has been edited by HARDTARGET: Mar 9, 2007 - 4:28 PM -------------------- 2007 Scion TC 1/4 Mile ET 7.06 @ 195 3/4 chassis! Motor SOLD: 3SGTE 1980 Toyota Corolla 1/4 Mile ET 7.92 @ 175 Full Street Legal! Motor: 3SGTE 1983 Toyota Corolla 1/4 Mile ET 7.42 @ 187 10.5 Tire Street Legal: 3SGTE 1998 Toyota Celica RWD 1/4 Mile ET 7.82 @ 175 SOLD! Motor: 3SGTE 1994 Toyota Celica FWD IN THE WORKS 2000 Toyota Celica GTS 1/4 Mile ET 13.50 @ 109 DAILY DRIVER https://www.facebook.com/htrracing WWW.HARDTARGETRACING.COM

Mar 9, 2007 - 10:21 PM
InfamousChappy View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Sep 30, '06 From Knox Vegas, Tennessee Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)	How are you gonna hook up 8 or 900 FWD horsepower and be able to drive it on the street? Just curious.

Mar 9, 2007 - 10:22 PM
jdg371 View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Jun 14, '05 Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%)	800BHP in a 5SGTE is crazy lol. That turbo will be size of the engine haha. I wonder if they would permit you to run a 503E.. It's been fitted and ran in a MKII MR2.. =] Just a thought.

Mar 9, 2007 - 10:36 PM
HARDTARGET View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Feb 20, '07 From W.P.B, FL Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%)	QUOTE(InfamousChappy @ Mar 9, 2007 - 11:21 PM) [snapback]534872[/snapback] How are you gonna hook up 8 or 900 FWD horsepower and be able to drive it on the street? Just curious. I'm not planning on street racing, it will be a waste of time. anything over 450hp on a FWD car on the street is a waste, it will never hook up. The car will be able to drive as far has the meth fuel takes it. -------------------- 2007 Scion TC 1/4 Mile ET 7.06 @ 195 3/4 chassis! Motor SOLD: 3SGTE 1980 Toyota Corolla 1/4 Mile ET 7.92 @ 175 Full Street Legal! Motor: 3SGTE 1983 Toyota Corolla 1/4 Mile ET 7.42 @ 187 10.5 Tire Street Legal: 3SGTE 1998 Toyota Celica RWD 1/4 Mile ET 7.82 @ 175 SOLD! Motor: 3SGTE 1994 Toyota Celica FWD IN THE WORKS 2000 Toyota Celica GTS 1/4 Mile ET 13.50 @ 109 DAILY DRIVER https://www.facebook.com/htrracing WWW.HARDTARGETRACING.COM

Mar 9, 2007 - 10:43 PM
HARDTARGET View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Feb 20, '07 From W.P.B, FL Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%)	QUOTE(jdg371 @ Mar 9, 2007 - 11:22 PM) [snapback]534874[/snapback] 800BHP in a 5SGTE is crazy lol. That turbo will be size of the engine haha. I wonder if they would permit you to run a 503E.. It's been fitted and ran in a MKII MR2.. =] Just a thought. do i need to say more. -------------------- 2007 Scion TC 1/4 Mile ET 7.06 @ 195 3/4 chassis! Motor SOLD: 3SGTE 1980 Toyota Corolla 1/4 Mile ET 7.92 @ 175 Full Street Legal! Motor: 3SGTE 1983 Toyota Corolla 1/4 Mile ET 7.42 @ 187 10.5 Tire Street Legal: 3SGTE 1998 Toyota Celica RWD 1/4 Mile ET 7.82 @ 175 SOLD! Motor: 3SGTE 1994 Toyota Celica FWD IN THE WORKS 2000 Toyota Celica GTS 1/4 Mile ET 13.50 @ 109 DAILY DRIVER https://www.facebook.com/htrracing WWW.HARDTARGETRACING.COM

Mar 9, 2007 - 10:47 PM
Batman722 View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Mar 8, '04 From Newport, RI Currently Offline Reputation: 63 (99%)	just a quick question...why a 5s block ? -------------------- my st205 swap and our Beams swap

Mar 9, 2007 - 10:50 PM
HARDTARGET View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Feb 20, '07 From W.P.B, FL Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%)	QUOTE(Batman722 @ Mar 9, 2007 - 11:47 PM) [snapback]534882[/snapback] just a quick question...why a 5s block ? stronger than any 3s gen 1 or 2, haven't done a 3rd gen yet. -------------------- 2007 Scion TC 1/4 Mile ET 7.06 @ 195 3/4 chassis! Motor SOLD: 3SGTE 1980 Toyota Corolla 1/4 Mile ET 7.92 @ 175 Full Street Legal! Motor: 3SGTE 1983 Toyota Corolla 1/4 Mile ET 7.42 @ 187 10.5 Tire Street Legal: 3SGTE 1998 Toyota Celica RWD 1/4 Mile ET 7.82 @ 175 SOLD! Motor: 3SGTE 1994 Toyota Celica FWD IN THE WORKS 2000 Toyota Celica GTS 1/4 Mile ET 13.50 @ 109 DAILY DRIVER https://www.facebook.com/htrracing WWW.HARDTARGETRACING.COM

Mar 10, 2007 - 12:55 AM
jgreening View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Jan 17, '04 From Illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)	Just out of curiosity, can you stay below 5500 RPMs and never reach positive manifold pressure? On a WOT run, will it fall out of boost when shifting? How high will you rev it on a WOT run? -------------------- QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback] i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.

Mar 10, 2007 - 2:10 AM
Blakout16 View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Jul 3, '04 From Yakima, WA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%)	i dont think the turbo is big enough -------------------- the 1/4 doesnt have patience for a ST.... so we make them ST-T's so atleast we'll sound good going slow.

Mar 11, 2007 - 6:52 AM
Alan View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Jan 23, '05 From Malta Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%)	Yeah like what is that Turbo? and how much does the motor need to rev to spool up, Do You use antilag or NOS for it to spool --------------------

Mar 11, 2007 - 4:09 PM
toyotacrazy View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Mar 4, '06 From Ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 10 (100%)	QUOTE(HARDTARGET @ Mar 9, 2007 - 10:50 PM) [snapback]534885[/snapback] QUOTE(Batman722 @ Mar 9, 2007 - 11:47 PM) [snapback]534882[/snapback] just a quick question...why a 5s block ? stronger than any 3s gen 1 or 2, haven't done a 3rd gen yet. How do you figure a 5s block is stronger than a 3s block. Ive seen dozens of 5s-fe throw a rod for no reason, on a well maintained car, being driven normally, with plenty of oil. Just curious. Not trying to criticize you.

Mar 11, 2007 - 6:37 PM
HARDTARGET View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Feb 20, '07 From W.P.B, FL Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%)	QUOTE(toyotacrazy @ Mar 11, 2007 - 4:09 PM) [snapback]535292[/snapback] QUOTE(HARDTARGET @ Mar 9, 2007 - 10:50 PM) [snapback]534885[/snapback] QUOTE(Batman722 @ Mar 9, 2007 - 11:47 PM) [snapback]534882[/snapback] just a quick question...why a 5s block ? stronger than any 3s gen 1 or 2, haven't done a 3rd gen yet. How do you figure a 5s block is stronger than a 3s block. Ive seen dozens of 5s-fe throw a rod for no reason, on a well maintained car, being driven normally, with plenty of oil. Just curious. Not trying to criticize you. the oiling system on factory 5s sucks your right, when i take a 3s and a 5s block and put over 40 lb of boost and run it down the 1/4 mile and crack the 3s block almost every time and "NEVER CRACK" the 5s block, that's why the 5s block is stronger for me and other reason. -------------------- 2007 Scion TC 1/4 Mile ET 7.06 @ 195 3/4 chassis! Motor SOLD: 3SGTE 1980 Toyota Corolla 1/4 Mile ET 7.92 @ 175 Full Street Legal! Motor: 3SGTE 1983 Toyota Corolla 1/4 Mile ET 7.42 @ 187 10.5 Tire Street Legal: 3SGTE 1998 Toyota Celica RWD 1/4 Mile ET 7.82 @ 175 SOLD! Motor: 3SGTE 1994 Toyota Celica FWD IN THE WORKS 2000 Toyota Celica GTS 1/4 Mile ET 13.50 @ 109 DAILY DRIVER https://www.facebook.com/htrracing WWW.HARDTARGETRACING.COM

Mar 11, 2007 - 6:58 PM
toyotacrazy View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Mar 4, '06 From Ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 10 (100%)	QUOTE(HARDTARGET @ Mar 11, 2007 - 6:37 PM) [snapback]535319[/snapback] QUOTE(toyotacrazy @ Mar 11, 2007 - 4:09 PM) [snapback]535292[/snapback] QUOTE(HARDTARGET @ Mar 9, 2007 - 10:50 PM) [snapback]534885[/snapback] QUOTE(Batman722 @ Mar 9, 2007 - 11:47 PM) [snapback]534882[/snapback] just a quick question...why a 5s block ? stronger than any 3s gen 1 or 2, haven't done a 3rd gen yet. How do you figure a 5s block is stronger than a 3s block. Ive seen dozens of 5s-fe throw a rod for no reason, on a well maintained car, being driven normally, with plenty of oil. Just curious. Not trying to criticize you. the oiling system on factory 5s sucks your right, when i take a 3s and a 5s block and put over 40 lb of boost and run it down the 1/4 mile and crack the 3s block almost every time and "NEVER CRACK" the 5s block, that's why the 5s block is stronger for me and other reason. Where does it crack?

Mar 11, 2007 - 6:59 PM
playr158 View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined May 22, '03 From NOVA Currently Offline Reputation: 16 (100%)	doesn't the 5sfe have thicker walls then a 3sgte newayz? 5s blocks are often used for stoker motors as well

Mar 11, 2007 - 7:02 PM
presure2 View Member Profile Moderator Joined Oct 1, '02 From fall river, ma Currently Offline Reputation: 13 (100%)	QUOTE(toyotacrazy @ Mar 11, 2007 - 4:09 PM) [snapback]535292[/snapback] QUOTE(HARDTARGET @ Mar 9, 2007 - 10:50 PM) [snapback]534885[/snapback] QUOTE(Batman722 @ Mar 9, 2007 - 11:47 PM) [snapback]534882[/snapback] just a quick question...why a 5s block ? stronger than any 3s gen 1 or 2, haven't done a 3rd gen yet. How do you figure a 5s block is stronger than a 3s block. Ive seen dozens of 5s-fe throw a rod for no reason, on a well maintained car, being driven normally, with plenty of oil. Just curious. Not trying to criticize you. that would be because the 5s, and the 7a for that matter are known for having weak rod bolts.throwing a rod thru the block says nothing about the blocks intergrity. a little research on mr2oc will net quite a few reasons people use the 5s block, besides the .2 liters that you gain with it. QUOTE(toyotacrazy @ Mar 11, 2007 - 6:58 PM) [snapback]535326[/snapback] QUOTE(HARDTARGET @ Mar 11, 2007 - 6:37 PM) [snapback]535319[/snapback] QUOTE(toyotacrazy @ Mar 11, 2007 - 4:09 PM) [snapback]535292[/snapback] QUOTE(HARDTARGET @ Mar 9, 2007 - 10:50 PM) [snapback]534885[/snapback] QUOTE(Batman722 @ Mar 9, 2007 - 11:47 PM) [snapback]534882[/snapback] just a quick question...why a 5s block ? stronger than any 3s gen 1 or 2, haven't done a 3rd gen yet. How do you figure a 5s block is stronger than a 3s block. Ive seen dozens of 5s-fe throw a rod for no reason, on a well maintained car, being driven normally, with plenty of oil. Just curious. Not trying to criticize you. the oiling system on factory 5s sucks your right, when i take a 3s and a 5s block and put over 40 lb of boost and run it down the 1/4 mile and crack the 3s block almost every time and "NEVER CRACK" the 5s block, that's why the 5s block is stronger for me and other reason. Where does it crack? they tend to crack between the bores. -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;) 13.6@108MPH, 5SFTE Powered

Mar 11, 2007 - 7:06 PM
x_itchy_b_x View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Nov 12, '02 From Webster Ma. Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%)	between 2 and 3 because of the internal coolant passage. -------------------- Visit My Automotive & Tech Blog.

Mar 11, 2007 - 8:08 PM
toyotacrazy View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Mar 4, '06 From Ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 10 (100%)	This thread is very interesting. I believe the rod studs pull out of the rod. From what Ive seen anyways.

Mar 12, 2007 - 8:43 AM
HARDTARGET View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Feb 20, '07 From W.P.B, FL Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%)	QUOTE(toyotacrazy @ Mar 11, 2007 - 7:58 PM) [snapback]535326[/snapback] QUOTE(HARDTARGET @ Mar 11, 2007 - 6:37 PM) [snapback]535319[/snapback] QUOTE(toyotacrazy @ Mar 11, 2007 - 4:09 PM) [snapback]535292[/snapback] QUOTE(HARDTARGET @ Mar 9, 2007 - 10:50 PM) [snapback]534885[/snapback] QUOTE(Batman722 @ Mar 9, 2007 - 11:47 PM) [snapback]534882[/snapback] just a quick question...why a 5s block ? stronger than any 3s gen 1 or 2, haven't done a 3rd gen yet. How do you figure a 5s block is stronger than a 3s block. Ive seen dozens of 5s-fe throw a rod for no reason, on a well maintained car, being driven normally, with plenty of oil. Just curious. Not trying to criticize you. the oiling system on factory 5s sucks your right, when i take a 3s and a 5s block and put over 40 lb of boost and run it down the 1/4 mile and crack the 3s block almost every time and "NEVER CRACK" the 5s block, that's why the 5s block is stronger for me and other reason. Where does it crack? they tend to pull the head stud closest to the water pump right off and so do the older 5s blocks also. -------------------- 2007 Scion TC 1/4 Mile ET 7.06 @ 195 3/4 chassis! Motor SOLD: 3SGTE 1980 Toyota Corolla 1/4 Mile ET 7.92 @ 175 Full Street Legal! Motor: 3SGTE 1983 Toyota Corolla 1/4 Mile ET 7.42 @ 187 10.5 Tire Street Legal: 3SGTE 1998 Toyota Celica RWD 1/4 Mile ET 7.82 @ 175 SOLD! Motor: 3SGTE 1994 Toyota Celica FWD IN THE WORKS 2000 Toyota Celica GTS 1/4 Mile ET 13.50 @ 109 DAILY DRIVER https://www.facebook.com/htrracing WWW.HARDTARGETRACING.COM

Mar 13, 2007 - 9:35 AM
playr158 View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined May 22, '03 From NOVA Currently Offline Reputation: 16 (100%)	use L19 head studs?

Jan 23, 2009 - 4:30 PM
HARDTARGET View Member Profile Enthusiast Joined Feb 20, '07 From W.P.B, FL Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%)	Well guys it's been a while, but it's time to get this car done, finally got some spare time to work on the car, I'll get some updated pics but not much diff from before just got the intake manifold almost done. -------------------- 2007 Scion TC 1/4 Mile ET 7.06 @ 195 3/4 chassis! Motor SOLD: 3SGTE 1980 Toyota Corolla 1/4 Mile ET 7.92 @ 175 Full Street Legal! Motor: 3SGTE 1983 Toyota Corolla 1/4 Mile ET 7.42 @ 187 10.5 Tire Street Legal: 3SGTE 1998 Toyota Celica RWD 1/4 Mile ET 7.82 @ 175 SOLD! Motor: 3SGTE 1994 Toyota Celica FWD IN THE WORKS 2000 Toyota Celica GTS 1/4 Mile ET 13.50 @ 109 DAILY DRIVER https://www.facebook.com/htrracing WWW.HARDTARGETRACING.COM

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