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street racing is simply being treated more like other criminal acts, like carrying a gun in public. the moment you decide to do it, you forfeit some legal rights.

i've never understood the street racer mentality anyway. serves them right...especially the loser whose mom was paying for his stupidity.

i hope more of them DO crash. maybe then they will learn that public roads are NOT the appropriate place for their shenanigans.

it's against the law for perfectly understandable reasons. even if it were completely unjustified, it's still the law.

period.

I can understand the reason for taking a very serious response to a very serious threat to public safety.
Law enforcement can seize and destroy vehicles that:
1. are proven to have stolen parts
2. involved in street racing

Crushing cars is aimed at stopping the cycle street racing and the stolen parts that are sometimes used to support street racing.
I say that this is good for the community if it decreases the numbers of deaths or crimes that are associated with stolen parts or racing on the public roads.


Vid of cars being crushed

Another article on crushing cars associated with street racing or stolen parts

Podcast of the article above

Yellow94GT

That just made my morning.

I hope they bring this to BC. People are getting killed here all the time in street racing accidents by reckless teenagers. I want to be there with a lawn chair and a bowl of popcorn watching as their ricer goes into the compacter.

Keep that sh!t off the streets.

Let the kids race and die...i could care less. Its just less stupid people in the world. I show no sympathy for stupidity and ignorance in the world. If they harm innocent civilians while street racing, they should be tried for murder and death penalty should be put into consideration.

That's the biggest problem. They aren't dying, innocent people are, and these kids are getting a slap on the wrist as punishment.

You're right. But the solution is not an illegal taking of private property without due process. Make the criminal punishment more severe if necessary - even including large fines if that makes sense. Summary civil forfeiture is just wrong.

^^ they are not taking their cars without it being necessary. The cars that are being crushed (if Im not wrong) are the ones with stolen parts and such on them.

Wow! I t would make sense if they were to seize the cars and auction them. Ya know give them a chance to get them back or someone else that has more sense. That way they could get funds to stop real crime.


If they were to catch me after a street race... not likely, then crush my car, I would just take it in stride.
Just go buy a 79 burban jack it to the sky, put some 44's on it, then go play in the parking lot at precinct.
Call it an eye for an eye.


After thought... this is just going to cause more mayhem, death, and carnage. I mean think about it...
a young guy, or girl... knows they will crush their car if they get caught so they just run. Putting more by standers in danger.


This post has been edited by coldbluesteel: Jun 21, 2007 - 2:47 PM

Who says what is necessary? Is it necessary to crush a 1998 Integra Type R because there is a stolen transmission in it? The owner sourced the transmission from somewhere - he didn't steal it himself. Why not just demand the return of the stolen goods? An innocent third party purchaser has no way of knowing if used parts are stolen. Maybe they should run the risk of losing their investment if the part turns out to be stolen, but does anyone really think its fair to have their whole car crushed?????????

Either they crush the car because of stolen parts or they crush it because of street racing (which is what the article is about). Either way, its still BS.

hmm, thats stupid, the racing here is privately organized, usually past midnight on closed roads, with very little spectators who stay back in their car.. Back on topic, doesn't matter what anyone does, crushing shouldn't be allowed, maybe more time in the Pen is acceptable, but dam, if they crushed my car id open up a can of woop-ass lol

I don't know about you guys but, I would rather watch my car get crushed than have the fact that I killed someone because I was stupid hovering over my head for the rest of my life.

Im not a fan of street racing, but the fact that they crush your car is outrageous! There has to be a better way. Auctioning the cars off would bring in more money into the state, especially after all the fines. But crushing should be outlawed. Because if that were the case... they should crush cars for DUI's cuse they kill more people than street racing right? Suddenly that doesnt sound feasible, because then it would be more likely that cops and city officials will have to crush familiy members or friend's cars because it is more common. Street Racing= Stupid Idea... But what I hate the most is that car enthusiasts are all made out to be some sort of bad guys around here. You can have a set of nice rims w/o a cop staring you down... ( i had a friend pulled over and told to take off his red rims because they attract too much attention) WTF? So then those People that hold signs on street corners to get your attention should be arrested and taken to jail right?? thats BullShlt! Its almost a form of Pro-filing people. It has to stop





Although again i will mention, if you get caught doing something stupid, you earned your punishment.

This post has been edited by eggman40: Jun 21, 2007 - 8:43 PM

1. Ordinarily I am not in favor for sweeping away of people's freedom.

I would say however that the tragedy over the street racer's due process rights bothers me less than
crushing the cars of those who are using them to race on public roads.


uberschall made a good comparision:
"street racing is simply being treated more like other criminal acts, like carrying a gun in public. the
moment you decide to do it, you forfeit some legal rights."


2. As far as stolen parts goes:

Hoang the "owner" of that particular 1998 Integra Type R said he had been caught using to race on public
roads.

Maldonado's "vehicle identification sticker apparently fell of".

Zavala, who admits he's been involved in street racing, estimates he and his mother spent about $10,000
on improvements to his car.

The vehicle code allows law enforcement to destroy vehicle even if a part is has been proven to be stolen
in California. It was interesting that the article mentioned only individuals who had been involved directly
with racing on public roads.

You better buy parts from a legitimate source if you live or drive in California.


Yellow94GT

This post has been edited by Yellow94GT: Jun 22, 2007 - 6:37 AM

thats just bs.. i mean taking the right to drive one thing, jail another. destorying property? somone should take a stand!

yeah, and all the dudes that get caught with illegal firearms or huge supplies of narcotics, and kiddie porn should get their stuff back too. i mean, it's theirs! wtf!?!

speaking of which, what do they do with all that stuff they take? not talking about the kiddie porn, but like all the narcotics and drugs that they take? I know they auction off a drug house, do they auction off marijuana to glaucoma patients? haha jk, but seriously now, anything you own can be taken away (except our faith) so basically we don't truley own anything in this world. But what gets me is that, street racing can be mistaken at times, and i wouldn't want my car crushed becuase of that. Sometimes i speed (yes it's true, im a terrible person) but like, what if while im speeding, someone decides to blow past me? Then we are both speeding at the same time, which makes it look like we are street racing right? And what if like, the car i'm driving happens to have stolen parts on it, but i bought the car like that? That would kind of really suck. But seriously, how are we supposed to know if parts we buy off such places like Ebay, are legit or not? So many people use Ebay, and we have no way of finding out where these parts came from, if they are off a stolen car or not. So any part we put on our car, after market or not, could end up getting us in a lot of trouble, am i right?

I'd be so anti- street racing also if my only car was a corolla/camry powered celica too I do think street racing can be dangerous....thats not to say i dont do it sometimes...

Vids
Car crushing vid Length: 03:28 min. Format: Windows Media Video_ 9 PE. com

Another vid of Street racers cars being crushed
Length: 2:57 min. | Size: 12.3 MB | File Format: QuickTime. Daily Bulletin.com/news

San Diego crushes cars with stolen parts Length 1:09 minutes File Format: RealVideo The San Diego Union-Tribune

Articles

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/111...d_Hot_Rods.html

Car Crushing article in Daily Bulletin.com

Owners have opportunity to appeal seized cars

Pics

Pics of car crushing

Legal Racing

Firebird Raceway Street event


Speed World Motorplex

1. Racing on public roads. "If you're caught street racing, your car is going to be impounded," Riverside police Sgt. Skip Showalter said, "and we're going to crush it." http://www.pe.com/localnews/publicsafety/s...01.3e16c84.html


2. Stolen parts: Every article I've read spoke of stolen engine or transmissions being the cause of the vehicle to be seized.

Mostly they were found to have parts with serial or identification numbers that have been defaced or removed or to have stolen transmissions or engines.
"San Diego city officials announced yesterday that they would crush cars they find fitted with stolen engines or transmissions in an effort to break what they say is a continuing cycle of auto theft." http://weblog.signonsandiego.com/news/metr...9-1m7crush.html

Vehicle Code Section 10751 states:
The owner can make an appeal within 90 days. before the vehicle will go to the crusher.


Yellow94GT

This post has been edited by Yellow94GT: Jun 22, 2007 - 9:42 AM

just incase anyone is interested, in ontario ur car can be crushed/impounded if it is just SUSPECTED of street racing... i think they just did this because there were a couple new incidents again lately...

and 2 americans just had their corvettes seized for doing 200km/h on a highway that just had 2 major accidents that blocked the entire highway earlier this week. (article says they might have to bus back down)

in ontario, if a cop stops u and asks you to pop ur hood and u don't, they are just gonna call the pros in to check ur car all over and give some bs excuse as to why it is justified.

i just can't believe how many people in ontario are soooo happy cars are being crushed...

This post has been edited by elvasoshexai: Jun 22, 2007 - 10:16 AM

This will further escalate stolen parts and stolen cars. You are not going to stop street racing, it will evolve around current laws.

They take the car if you get caught, fine. Buy a shell, steal a motor, tranny, wheels and tires.
Go race, thats whats going to happen. It's happening that way right now, now more people will turn to this method.


Plus, there is no incentive to stop for the cops, not like you want to stop. If they where going to take my car, I wouldn't stop.


This is a bad idea.


They should build more tracks, and let them gamble at the track.