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As for what I think about this topic. Mild upgrades are more than enough for street use. SSlines, upgraded pads, and a fresh set of rotors.

Raising the HP levels of a car also shifts you toward looking into better braking performance. Although I'm not there yet, I believe we'll need to looking into BBKs once we are closer to the 300hp levels.

Remember, these cars were designed with 115hp in mind.

hawk hps pads with brembo blanks.

What's fuild like? Ever have to replace a caliper?

normal dot 4 fluid. calipers are original.

Is the fuild old? I'm guessing your brake fuild has broken down and is causing some brake fade. Also, your calipers are probably lossing some of their spunk from age. When I had to change out all 4 (ouch!) on my rx-7, I noticed a big difference in brakes power....course that was with some fresh dot 4 syn fuild

ok here are the pros and cons of having the BBK (this is coming from someone who has a BBK for 2 years)

pros:
-quality parts
-stop on a dime
-solid overall braking in any driving conditions (cruising and track)
-less rotor caliper wear
-less brake dust
-no brake squeal
-looks great
-safety

cons:
-crossed drilled and slotted rotors will have slight brake pedal vibrations but "uncut and undrilled" rotors are smooth
-heavier than stock
-depending on your rim your might need spacers to clear the phone receiver size caliper
-just because you can stop on a dime doesnt mean the car behind you can, so dont slam on your brakes if you dont have to
-let your passenger know when you are going to "test out" your bbk so they can hold on.

PLEASE NOTE:

do not get a BBK if your suspension system is not upgraded. hard braking with loose front suspension is pointless and you will not get the full effect of a BBK and make sure you have decent tires. there is also no point in getting a BBK if you have drums in the back, it just doesnt look right.

no, the fluid was just changed and the calipers have about 70k on them. so while they are not brand new, i would imagine they still have some good spunk left in them.

for the most part the car stops well, however there have been a few instances where i have noticed the limitations of this setup. you are right, no one NEEDS a bbk. but once you start making more and more power and add more weight to the car with something like a motor swap, you will start to outgrow those stock calipers/rotors. a lot of it depends on your driving habits too.

someone like itchty, with 330hp at the wheels would probably benefit a lot from a bbk.

RCT, do you only have BBK's up front? And noise is determined by pad selection

good points...except squeal is going to depend on what kit you have and what pads you are running.
safety while that can be relatively placed on both pros and cons (thats just my opinion) some BBK are overdone and not correctly done for the car, which leads to over/unbalanced braking (while its a less common problem)

but glad you are bringing in functioning point of view......
haha BBK + rear drums = you are doing something wrong...very wrong.
front suspension + good quality tires = needed, great point

and someone is HIGHLY missing the point HIGH HP doesn't always necessitate in the need for bigger brakes.
speculation = t3h badz yo

stock sized brakes and non cross drilled p00r





This post has been edited by playr158: Jul 23, 2007 - 3:09 PM

that is correct, many people forget about stopping power and only focus on horsepower.

you make a good point about the car being balanced. thats why im not a big fan of modifing BBK to fit different cars.

as for the part about high output doesn't require bigger brakes; that just depends on the driving sport or driving habits. for example, in drag racing a BBK is not needed even with the high hp output. this is simply because the driver will launch and apply the brake at the very end and release the chute. no BBK equals weight saved.

now, in drift and super GT BBK are needed and required. this is because the driver is constantly applying the brakes to set up for the next corner. in other words, go into the corner hard, apply the brakes hard, and accelerate out of the apex point hard.

it just depends on the person and what they are tryng to get out of there car. a 3sgte swap does not require a BBK if the driver is not going to get on the gas pedal. a 7afe celica may need a BBK since autocross does not require high hp but it does require a braking system that can take abuse.

RTC, you most have missed my post. Are you running BBK's on only the front, or back as well?

i only have big brakes in the front and i did the dics brake swap in the rear. the rear consist of sp slotted rotors, hawk pads and ss lines. and yes, noise is determined by the pad selection.

let me know if you have any questions

RCT, How much did that kit set you back?

the kit set me back around 2k. you can get bbk slightly cheaper but i opted for the 6pot dynalite calipers coated red and 13 inch slotted/drill rotors. plus it's custom made. 100% bolt on

This post has been edited by RCTCelica: Jul 23, 2007 - 3:42 PM

So I'm guessing you're running a perportioning valve too, right? And doesn't that combo throw off the car balance? How do it effect left foot breaking and trail-breaking?

now the question is RCT, where'd u get em?

call up my buddy who has a performacne shop. www.rctperformance.com speak to ryan or james. tell them dennis recommended you. they will hook you up

This post has been edited by RCTCelica: Jul 23, 2007 - 3:57 PM

cool. good to know. thx.