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Ok. I've looked over this site and either it's not listed or I don't know how to find the information. I've got a master mechanic that just built my brothers 90 eagle talon tsi AWD that's pushing 710 hp. This thing is scary fast. That's beside the point.

He's very good. Works on Supras, Nissan Zs, Lotus elise, cobra shelby, Acura RSX-S, etc... Mostly turbo, but quite a bit of NA too. This guy is good and his shop is amazing!

This mechanic has looked over my car and has estimated a price to build up my 5sfe NA.

approximately 250 on the crank. Definitely not 250 whp. I don't even think that is do-able with this motor.

First mods I will need are breathing mods , IHE god quality stuff (e-bay parts wont do it ) problem is though all the good quality things are going to be hard to source as the car is 11 years old and some stuff has been discontinued .

Next is porting and polishing the head and getting some oversized valves and shaving it to bump the compression . But none of this is much good if I cant find a more aggressive cam to make use of the extra flow .

So these are my starting points.

I have a guy who'll do the god quality header for me. $600 all custom

Now here's the BIG QUESTION - Where do I find stage 1 cams for this motor? They MUST be god quality to handle what he's going to do. Do I have to go custom? If so who can do them?

He'll do all the head work . Ballpark for headwork with new valves , springs , retainers, cut seats most likely replace the guides and port, polish and shave is about $2000 ( that does not include removal or installation ).

I don't want turbo. I know turbo makes a hell of a lot more sense, but then it wouldn't be an 5sfe.

Any help is appreciated!

please swap the engine out and build up a better platform engine.
do not build up an NA economy engine and expect good results.
The 5sfe is meant for low-end grocery getter torque and gas mileage.

Understood. But how many people have done this motor? I don't want to swap it and doing a 5sfte is too much pain. Any idea about the cams?

You are asking questions regarding largely uncharted waters. I know of no cams or other parts that are available for the 5sfe.

If you want to stay N/A, I recommend the vvti 1mzfe. It will be cheaper in the long run and will have stock reliability. It will end up at about 215hp but with a much better powerband.

Webcams can regrind you stock cams. http://www.importperformanceparts.net/impo...cam-toyota.html
for almost 600 bucks. i dont think the stock ecu could even run those.
better add on another 1600 for a stand alone ecu.

Truth is. I've been researching this for quite some time. Most of the parts will have to be custom. The problem is getting the right cams I need. If I can't get those then it's pretty much a no go anyway. That's really the last item on the list. Hopefully some one here has an idea about where I can find them. I did find a set in a japanese site 2 months ago, but when I look further into it. They proved to be junk!

Great I'll definitely check into it. Thanks.

Not to kill your enthusiasm, but like J and itchy have said, built NA 5sfe is unchartered, and probally not the most cost efficient way to make ponies. i would highly suggest looking at the Forced Induction section.

read the stickies on 5sfTe (turbocharged 5sfe) or the possibility of a 3sgte swap.

y make 250 hp at the crank when u can make 250hp at the wheels...for less money?

its not totally uncharted. its been done before by the 5th gen guys. they all came to the conclusion that its just not worth it. youll spend thousands, and end up with 20-30 hp more then what you had. the 5sfe will never put out 250 hp in NA form.

you need some form of forced induction to reach that goal. if you want to stay NA then look into the 1mzfe swap like was mentioned.

This post has been edited by lagos: Aug 24, 2007 - 12:35 PM

Do you know any of these 5th gen guys? Or, where I can find info about the outcome of their NA projects? I'll do some research on the 1mzfe and consider it. Thanks.

It seems your pretty set on building an NA motor, but judging from what people are saying, the 5sfe doesnt seem worth it. Why dont you look into swapping in a 3sge motor? or a beams 3sge? i think the beams has around 170 or 180hp so you would already be close to 250hp. it sounds like you have the money, so if i were you, id grab a hold of one and build that one instead... Youd be closer to your goal. Just a thought, unless you really think you could pioneer something inovative enough to squeeze some power outa the 5s. Good luck!







by the way i second Itchy B on Webcam. I used to work at a motorcycle shop before and a lot of our customers would get custom grinds on their stock cams for high hp apps.

This post has been edited by eggman40: Aug 24, 2007 - 1:12 PM

try to look up JohnL on celicatech. he doesn't post much anymore, but he had a lot of work done to his 5sfe. in the end i think he made about 130-140hp.

how much are you planning to spend on your project?

Right now I'm already at $3,350(on paper). I'm estimating somewhere around $5,000. But without the cams it's a waste of time.

honestly... dont put 5 grand into an NA 5sfe. it will be money wasted without any benefits. you would get a much better bang for the buck by looking into an engine swap or a turbo kit.

Well I just read up on JohnL at celicatech and I looked at a few other posts. There is a lot of information there that I'll have to seriously consider. From what I read - at best the 5sfe could push is 180whp at 212.72 crank hp.

If that's it then I might have to consider a 3sge or possibly the 3s-gte.

I appreciate the info. It really dropped my expectations, but that is why I came here. Thanks guys. I've got a hell of a lot more research to do.

Yeah, didnt mean to sound harsh if i did. theres just alot of other roads that are cheaper to travel and they will bring you to a place of even higher power..

Well there seems to be a reason why this road isn't travelled often. Again - thanks for the help

BEAMS 3sge FTW!!! I would really like to get a hold of one to put into my car. if you can find a ssIII front clip here ni the states it will run you about 3k and it will come with a better tranny to put those ponies to the road. the beams stock is 210whp iirc. much better platform to start with. GL

the beams is NOT 210WHP.
its flywheel.
~165-170whp.

Man the only place ive found performance for our engines is www.gude.com check them out website does not have much but give them a call and ask for celica 2.2 l the number is 1-951-245-7577 the cams run about $295 exchange with u sending them ur cam $350 w out exchange whole package sales $1450 ask for Phil and they have a package for 1.8s as well.