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post Mar 29, 2008 - 12:39 PM
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QUOTE(Dragondog @ Mar 29, 2008 - 11:40 AM) [snapback]659509[/snapback]

ok well im trusting you so hook me then if you can get all 4 for butt cheap....can you ship 2 me r is it best to pick up when i go out there


rotors are heavy, i my boss would let me use his shipping then it'd be okay, otherwise, it'll kill ya in shipping.


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post Mar 29, 2008 - 12:46 PM
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i c well let me know bout ur boss if so we can talk payment other wise ill wait till i go out there


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post Mar 29, 2008 - 1:28 PM
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will sway bars work with coilovers? or do i have to have lowering springs?

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QUOTE(D-Man @ Mar 29, 2008 - 3:12 PM) [snapback]659480[/snapback]

actualy, thanks to griff girl, i may be able to get em for cheaper.

I'm not sure what brand they are, but they seem to be the exact same ones that i have on Breakplanet. I'm going to call and see if i can get us under the $200 range because they have a pretty good deal going already...

I was getting from here:
http://www.autoall.com/toyota-celica-rotors.htm

But after looking at theese:
http://stores.brakeplanet.com/Items/nl0172...%20Brake%20Pads

thats a full set for 230+ shipping, i bet i could get em down to 150-170 depending on shipping and all. And how many we ordered...


I noticed that the rotors in the second link are for a 95 GT. I actually have never come across this site before and it looks pretty legit. My problem is I have a 96 GT. When I looked for my year they actually had NO rotors at all, just the pads. Any rotor from a 94-99 GT should work with each other right?


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post Apr 1, 2008 - 10:24 AM
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slotted rotors only......

d/s = crapola
post Apr 1, 2008 - 10:27 AM
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explain crapola


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post Apr 1, 2008 - 10:30 AM
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its a looks thing pretty much that negatively effects braking performance.

a) reduces braking surface area
b) more prone/likely to crack <----this happens a lot
c) doesn't help you brake any better


upgrading brakes should pretty much follow a guide line

a) good (lots of emphasis here) brake pads
b) Quality slotted rotors
c) SS brake lines + quality (Motul DOT 5.1, ATE super blue) brake fluid that is flushed once every year but no later than every 2 years


(on a Super Unlimited Mod car, racing in the NASA circuit, the shop i'm working @ uses blanks....and that car is fast)

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post Apr 1, 2008 - 10:43 AM
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To the best of my knowledge yes, they are compatible, however they're are some slight differences with the caliper and break pads. Also, the fronts are the same on ALL models, however the Rear Rotor Part number varies between the 94-95 & the 97-99 models.

But we all know of many differences between the 94-95 & the 97-99 models. lol.

however, i'm trying to get ahold of that owner at break-planet; if i can get a deal, i'm going to try to order specifically for people and get the exact year model that is needed. I will not; however; work any deals for a front or rear only set. that is going to be my only stipulation, if i try weaseling like that, it'll ruin the deal for everyone.

also, this is still not a group buy. i haven't got one approved, nor am i trying to. I'm trying only to get a good price for myself and those affiliated with me & vice-versa.

if anyone wants to be affiliated with me they should be doing it thru my PM, e-mail or preferably; my Cell phone. (i think everyone has my number, lol. I give it to anyone in hopes that someone will be my friend laugh.gif )


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post Apr 1, 2008 - 10:49 AM
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playr, i have to honestly say, that i do like the D/S rotors better. I've never had a problem with cracking. also, the D does serve a purpose, it helps to vent heat, add traction, and to help clear out the dust particles that shed off your break pads.(just like the slots, not really a big difference, but i like em biggrin.gif )

although i do agree with stainless steel break lines biggrin.gif that's what i'm buying next!

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post Apr 1, 2008 - 10:49 AM
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:lol:

I just say what comes from research, race teams, and what happens on cars with effective parts.
same reason why we giggle at street cars with BBKs

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The reason for the creation of cross drilled rotors initially was to remove the "gasses" from the brake pads. HOWEVER, most of your modern brake pads (Axxis metal, AEM semi-ceramic) do NOT produce gasses when heating. This was on bad brake pads used in the 1950s and 1960s. Back then, asbestos was also used, and we dont use that either.


also physics 101....braking power comes from friction of pad to rotor....take away surface area what happens?! LESS braking power
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Cross drilled rotors have LESS contact area because of the holes.
But if the rotor is cooler, its better, right? Well no, because these rotors are not cooler. THe heat is generated from the pad/rotor contact. What removes heat the most effectively? When stopped or moving, the pad transfers heat into the rotor because its made of cast iron. the rotor has a lot of surface area and even vanes in it. But the little holes allow air in this surface contact, and you can transfer more heat into a solid big ass chunk of cast iron more than you can into the air. Don't believe me? Touch some steam at 150 degrees, then touch a piece of hot metal which is at 150 degrees. Which burns your hand? the metal. So let the heat transfer into the metal, because since it has so much more surface area, dissapates better.

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Find me an F1 car as of now that uses cross drilled or slotted rotors.
They all use full ceramic rotors and ceramic pads. Are they drilled or slotted? No.

If they helped the fastest cars in the world, wouldn't they use them? Its basic calculations that show the lack in surface area does not make up for the possible loss in temperarure. They use brake cooling air ducts insted.


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post Apr 1, 2008 - 10:50 AM
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I'm running the brakeplanet setup, had it for 4 months now and under hard azz driving no problems.

somewhere on here there is a promo code for free shipping from brake planet...

drilling rotors doesn't effect contact area, it actually reduces friction and fade so under constant on/off braking (i.e. windy auto x conditions) you don't loose efficiency,

:edit: promo code for free shipping is BP10100 biggrin.gif

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post Apr 1, 2008 - 10:55 AM
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QUOTE(brthrurik @ Apr 1, 2008 - 11:50 AM) [snapback]660473[/snapback]

:edit: promo code for free shipping is BP10100 biggrin.gif


Thanx brthrurik. Anyone not in the houston area would need to note this info if they plan to purchase any rotors from Breakplanet.


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QUOTE(playr158 @ Apr 1, 2008 - 11:49 AM) [snapback]660471[/snapback]

:lol:

I just say what comes from research, race teams, and what happens on cars with effective parts.
same reason why we giggle at street cars with BBKs

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The reason for the creation of cross drilled rotors initially was to remove the "gasses" from the brake pads. HOWEVER, most of your modern brake pads (Axxis metal, AEM semi-ceramic) do NOT produce gasses when heating. This was on bad brake pads used in the 1950s and 1960s. Back then, asbestos was also used, and we dont use that either.


also physics 101....braking power comes from friction of pad to rotor....take away surface area what happens?! LESS braking power
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Cross drilled rotors have LESS contact area because of the holes.
But if the rotor is cooler, its better, right? Well no, because these rotors are not cooler. THe heat is generated from the pad/rotor contact. What removes heat the most effectively? When stopped or moving, the pad transfers heat into the rotor because its made of cast iron. the rotor has a lot of surface area and even vanes in it. But the little holes allow air in this surface contact, and you can transfer more heat into a solid big ass chunk of cast iron more than you can into the air. Don't believe me? Touch some steam at 150 degrees, then touch a piece of hot metal which is at 150 degrees. Which burns your hand? the metal. So let the heat transfer into the metal, because since it has so much more surface area, dissapates better.



Someone was on honda-tech wink.gif

I'm with Dan...no it's not an april fools joke. I have C/Ded rotors but only because they came with my car when I bought it.

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yus i haz been on Ricecar forumz :eeps:

you know you are doing something wrong when even the ricerz are against you :rofl:
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QUOTE(brthrurik @ Apr 1, 2008 - 10:50 AM) [snapback]660473[/snapback]


drilling rotors doesn't effect contact area, it actually reduces friction and fade so under constant on/off braking (i.e. windy auto x conditions) you don't loose efficiency,



Drilling rotors DOES affect contact area. The pad can't contact the material that was drilled out. It does reduce friction which is a bad BTW. Greater Frction=Better Stopping
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QUOTE(brthrurik @ Apr 1, 2008 - 10:50 AM) [snapback]660473[/snapback]


drilling rotors doesn't effect contact area, it actually reduces friction and fade so under constant on/off braking (i.e. windy auto x conditions) you don't loose efficiency,



Drilling rotors DOES affect contact area. The pad can't contact the material that was drilled out. It does reduce friction which is a bad BTW. Greater Frction=Better Stopping


more friction = more fade.... more fade means longer stopping distance... longer stopping distance means more front end damage...
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Um, no.

Getting better brake pads and properly braking will easily reduce/eliminate fade.


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i like how the thread originally started off as a question of where to find d/s rotors into an epic debate of drilled vs. undrilled rotors :wtr:

anyways, (not to add to the clutter on this thread or hijack it in any matter) since we are on the topic of brake pads and rotors, i was wondering...

1) what brand brake pads does 6gc recommend (oem vs aftermarket) and
2) what brand slotted rotors does 6gc recommend (brembo vs others)

thanks biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(markie @ Apr 2, 2008 - 2:16 PM) [snapback]660871[/snapback]

i like how the thread originally started off as a question of where to find d/s rotors into an epic debate of drilled vs. undrilled rotors :wtr:

anyways, (not to add to the clutter on this thread or hijack it in any matter) since we are on the topic of brake pads and rotors, i was wondering...

1) what brand brake pads does 6gc recommend (oem vs aftermarket) and
2) what brand slotted rotors does 6gc recommend (brembo vs others)

thanks biggrin.gif


you'd have to PM Coomer or another moderator... They're the only ones able to tell you what 6gc.net would Recommend, because it'd be their Recommendation.

The rest of us could only give opinions.


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QUOTE(brthrurik @ Apr 1, 2008 - 7:52 PM) [snapback]660646[/snapback]

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drilling rotors doesn't effect contact area, it actually reduces friction and fade so under constant on/off braking (i.e. windy auto x conditions) you don't loose efficiency,



Drilling rotors DOES affect contact area. The pad can't contact the material that was drilled out. It does reduce friction which is a bad BTW. Greater Frction=Better Stopping


more friction = more fade.... more fade means longer stopping distance... longer stopping distance means more front end damage...


Sorry to burst your bubble but friction is the concept behind braking smile.gif . You can completely eliminate friction by taking off your brake bads, then you would have no fade but it might not work out too well for you biggrin.gif
Fade is caused by your brake rotors and pads heating up and therefor having less friction which causes longer stopping distances.

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