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I agree, it was quite enjoyable.

Nope. Im not giving the $200 dollars jar the benifit of the doubt, Im just interested in the actual chemistry behind it.




But its all cool.

This post has been edited by lubu: Jul 14, 2008 - 5:01 PM

nothings wrong with using HHO as a extra source of fuel to power a car.
its not gonna be anything AMAZING or 430% INCREASE IN MPG!!!
its not even gonna be 33.3%, repeating of course, chance of increase in MPG
ehh i should work up some of the math for this, but my physics escapes me!

If it were that easy to add, two points: car manufacturers would love to use it and get even more room in their fleet emission standards, and it wouldn't require millions of dollars to produce a working hydrogen-powered vehicle.

That said, using waste energy from the gasoline (electricity generated but not used already) to produce hydrogen in small quantities is perfectly understandable. It's the addition of hydrogen and water into a system not designed for it, and lacking the protections of a water-cooling system chemical mix, that make this a truly questionable idea.

A hydrogen-fueled engine is a far different beast than a gasoline-fueled engine, much more so than a diesel compared to a gas engine.

It is because to power the whole car solely on Hydrogen you need greater amount of energy in producing the hydrogen then you can get out from it. 20% efficient that is.



As said in previous posts, the water would escape out to the exhaust minifold (water will not form as dropplets in high temperature), but even if it did the worse thing that water can do is corrosion which at this point I think you are right abt the chemical mix, oil are needed to prevent corrosion.

Without even reading up on how this jar works, I'm going to throw my hat into the ring and give my (educated) opinion.

The process of splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen gas is very energy extensive. The theory of burning hydrogen gas is well known (that's what is used as rocket fuel in spaceships). So there is no way that a simple device like that can ever produce enough gas WITHOUT consuming a butt-load of energy in the first place to make it a viable option. It's sort of like saying that your alternator (alone) can produce enough electricity to power an air compressor for your car. You'll burn more gas trying to make the electricity this extra electricity which could have simply be used to power the car in the first place.

Mythbusters actually tested such a device on their show and while it proved that the concept worked, it was pathetically effective (WAYYYY too little gas was produced to be beneficial).

But yeah, stupid/ignorant people unfortunately are easy prey to these vultures of society...

This post has been edited by CAMAricer: Jul 15, 2008 - 9:11 AM

my friend made one but it broke while on a test run and he jus said 'fck it.' rofl.

honestly i'm tempted to make one, and try it on my quad or something, but i dont have time!

yeah I was CAMA has it right. Hydrogen is an excellent form of fuel. I Intern over here at pratt and whitney and our rockets are hydrogen fueld. And the idea for hydrogen fueld cars have been around since the 50's. The problem with this set up is it takes more energy to turn the water into the gas than the energy you'll get out of it so yea the hydrogen will combust in the engine but you are workign the altenator a bit harder to produce this HHO gas so in the long run i'm pretty sure your gas milage decreases. Further more a lot of these units run off vac lines and the way they are set up most of the HHO gas is sucked into the engine at idle when the engine needs it the least.

Funny this came up. I guy I see regularly at work was telling me about a system he installed on his car that increased his gas mileage from 25mpg to 43mpg and when I asked him what it was he gave me a business card that took me to their website. I've taken more than a few chemistry classes in my time and know a little bit about how an engine works but I was unable to figure out how this thing works. The guy did tell me that he has been using it for about 3 months and was involved in the original testing and fine tuning of it before they released the design to the general public. The car he uses it on is a 2002 Honda Accord V6. I'm tempted to buy one because 1) The guy is a master certified mechanic and I trust him and 2) I've wasted money on worse things than this if it doesn't work out.

Helium burns hotter, and i'm unsure if your stock ecu would just simply let you run helium. . .
If you know the guy, get a discount and find out.
BTW, there's a huge proposal on this that is several years old now, except when i read it, i coulda swore they wanted to use a vibrating rod to separate the helium...not sure what this one is. (I didn't click it)

YAh this stuff works sooooo good that the trillion dollar car industry couldn't figure out how to make this contraption out of ball glass and make their car sell like hot cakes because of the mileage.

Wholey crap, this thread still exists?

Yeah, i posted this a million years ago hoping to discurage ANYONE from posting up ::In my stupidest voice:: "Hey uh, this says that it'll make my car faster than you 5sGte guys and even you 3sgte people, so uh... does it work? should i buy this? can i get 6,541,628,764MPH gains from this?" Much like the electronic turbos (especialy the plastic ones) and the "Super Chips"

Speaking of super-chips, a friend of mine recently bought one on E-Bay for his Impala, then he started braggin on his MAD hp gains... The other day he called me all pissed off... aparently he took it off, and it broke... Ya know what was in it? Guess. Seriously, Guess! ...... Nothing. It was Fcuking empty. I wonder where those MAD hp gains came from? and where they went?

For all you guys that immediately write this off - I'm glad not everyone is not as opposed to new ideas and technology as you make yourselves out to be, otherwise we would still be trying to drive our cars with square stone wheels.

Go check out these videos and see if your opinion changes. I'm not talking about the crappy water4gas product, because they are junk and most of them just sell you instructions on building one, not an actual installable unit.

Water-powered welder and car: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4JXKn1e9ig

Japanese water-powered concept car: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrxfMz2eDME

I saw this stuff and went "WOW!"...I considered playing with this technology in an old tercel or corolla just to see what kind of results can come from it. Anyway, make of it what you will, but the technology exists and in the right engineering hands, it DOES work!

We're not saying it isn't possible. We're saying that a jelly jar with a wire in it isn't going to solve your problem

Yeah, it is possible to convert various items into usable power sources, And i'm all about that. But this $200 jar that sprays "shocked" water into your engine isn't going to be helping your car at all.

This thread is dedicated to trashing faulty, and falsely advertised products such as the Spiffy-Jelly jar (as i've come to call it.) Products that dont work, and are intended to do nothing but make profit at the expense of the longevity of your engine.

various items? Like the gas/water hybrid car? The cold-heat welder?

These, to me, are breakthrough technology that could make pretty drastic changes in the not-so-distant future, especially to our dependency on oil. How about a generator that could power and heat your house, all run by rainwater?



So anyway, for the record...I have had a good laugh at the different sites for the HHO/gas hybrid kits. They make it out to be a big scam and their product does look like it came from the canned food aisle at Safeway. Maybe they should spend some of their money on a marketing team?

If anyone is interested, I managed to find the entire document (~168 pages) that the water4gas website sells online, which is detailed instructions on building one of these yourself. I'll e-mail it to you (in .pdf format) if anyone is interested. The document is pretty in-depth, with parts lists and all. Just PM me.