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Congrats on getting it out!
This is really the best way to learn about your car/swap.

Thanks Art, and yes you are right. Swapping it yourself really is the best thing you can do for yourself. I have learned so much just from pulling the motor out of the clip, things that are so much easier doing then just reading about. I have seen many motor swaps, tranny swaps, turbo swaps, turbo installs, etc. And I didn't learn nearly half of what I have learned from just digging in and pulling this motor. But, being around those things has helped in eliminating the fear, and making this project go so smoothly. It really is just a fear, It isn't very complicated at all. It is a great experience to do the work yourself, because you really do enter a new world of understanding and knowledge of how things work. Thanks for the compliments art........JIM

congrats guys. There's one more small thing I have to tell you about the wiring, PM me and we'll talk.

update !!

where's the project at now ?

Well This is Shannon not Jim...So um I believe the engine is out of the clip and we have all the parts as far as I no

The 2nd gen engine is just about out of the blue car

We have the e153lsd and axle all ready the cam gears from ATS all ready and all the other misc parts

Ill take pictures of everything over this weekend.

This weekend is gonna be where we get a lot of stuff done so expect big updates in the next couple of days

The funny thing is Jim took the blue car of for once last big good bye drive and the car ran so beautifully like it new its time was done with us
well at least we No it was running great and will be running even better when Manny gets his hands on it I hope he loves it

Swapping motors, boosting celicas, all while playing warcraft.... now we know why you are a SUPERshannon!

sounds great !
so you guys are putting ATS cam gears into the 205 ? NICE !
have fun with the axles, don't drop the balls out of the cage !!!

Yes we installed ATS cam Gears. I feel that if you swap your car, or are doing a timing job on a 3's and you want to do any type pf upgrading later, NOT doing cam gears is a waste of money, and you are going to be annoyed with yourself later when you start rsearching them and realizing how wild they truly are. There are gains to be had with adjustable cam gears on the 3's, and by not having it, you cant get the most out of your tune/car. A nice update is coming in due time Thanks JIM

This post has been edited by supershannon77: Sep 21, 2008 - 1:51 PM

Well heres what went on this weekend

Manny came down to help with some work on the 3rd gen

The 2nd gen engine is out of the blue car....when we took the trans out we saw that the spec clutch springs are already starting to come out and the clutch is only has like 2000 miles on it I am going to post up pics and send them to spec bc that is way to soon to start seeing problems.

The cam gears are installed and the berk tech downpipe are as well..Manny did lots of prep work so we can be ready to get the engine back in.

In a little I will post up the pics

Manny might even post more abut what he did bc hes good like that.

Dustin thanks for all the wiring help.

This post has been edited by presure2: Sep 21, 2008 - 2:30 PM

Again you guys are doing a great job! Congrats on the wrc clip by the way the engine looks to be really clean, cant wait for more updates!

thread cleaned.

jim, you must have been WASTED last night.

D, the ATS cam gears are pretty sweet, and were EASY to install. we'll see how well they work here at the dyno in a few weeks.

we REALLY wanted to get the 205 at least in the bay yesterday, but, with the clutch disk issue we ran into, i just couldnt see taking the chance.
the problem is that it seems to me like the springs are "pushing" theyre way out of the disk, the little metal tabs that keep the springs in place are quite deformed, and some of them are actually breaking off in little peices on the ends.

shannon, post the pics i had you take yesterday of the disk, maybe some of the guys will have an opinion on how that disk looks.

from what ive read it seems like this is a somewhat "common" issue with the spec disks, which is kind of a bummer.

like i told jim "its up to you if you want to reuse it, but do you really want to take the chance?" IMO its just not worth it.
theyre sending pics over to spec, to see what they have to say about it, i could very well just be being overly carefull, but i figure its always better to be on the safe side when it comes to that kind of stuff.

so, we just worked on getting all the 205 work buttoned up so that they can bring the motor and car up to me to finish up for them.
its just much easier doing the work up here, where i have everything i need at hand.
j & j and crew got alot done with the space and tools they had available, but with Jenn getting ready to have the baby, we just cant be traveling down to nj for the next couple weekends to give the guys a hand wrapping things up, so they are bringing the car and the motors up to me, and we'll be finishing things up here.
jim and i worked up a deal for the 2nd gen motor that was in the car, which i will be getting in exchange for the work we will be doing to his car and shannons 5sfte powered monster over the next few months.
look for a few more additions to the infamous "shannons 3s swap nightmare" post i made a while back about this setup once i get the motor here and start tearing into that thing.
what a mess.
im just glad that will be over for jim, this 3rd gen setup is gonna be much better in every way. and, its a WRC edition motor to boot, which is cool, even if it is just for bragging rights!! BWAHAHAHAHA

What did your research uncover about the standard ST205 and the WRC ST205, Jim?

The WRC and the standard ST205 are identical in almost every way except for the fact the WRC has a lot more goodies on it. A WRC came with factory water injection, factory intercooler/heat exchanger sprayer, Antilag system, heat "protection" piece between the header and the TMIC, the hood comes stock with the hood spoiler. The Water injection, intercooler/heat exchanger sprayer, and the anti lag system all come inactive in the street version of the WRC, and only the race car had the ECU to control all of these features. But that doesn't mean we cant get them to work .

The factory water/meth injection nozzle (which looks like a GEN2 Cold Start Injector) comes Installed into the bottom of the throttle body on the WRC edition, which is going be a big help in getting my devils own kit to work on the GEN3. Manny will get a better look at it when he has the motor up there. The problem with the standard ST205 is that when trying to install the nozzle of the devils own kit, you need to install it between the intercooler and the throttle body. The problem here is that the only place to install the nozzle is about 2 inches long and is made of rubber so installing there is not an option. For my setup, with the WRC already having the CSI I have a couple of options. We can try to gut the electronics and drill out the holes of the CSI to the same size holes the devils own claims is X gph (for example 1/8" hole = 5gph's etc). Or option 2 is to completely take the CSI out, as Manny mentioned and cut a 3/8 think flange out of aluminum and drill out the 2 bolt holes and tap in the nozzle that comes with the Devils Own kit and installing it all back together with a GEN2 CSI gasket. Option 2 sounds a bit better because it will be a lot easier to change nozzles when the time comes, instead of taking out the CSI and drilling bigger holes.


The factory intercooler/heat exchanger sprayer also comes inactive on the WRC street car, but I should be able to get around that as well with very little work. The intercooler/heat exchanger sprayer is mounted on the inside of the JDM crash bar, it comes with 3 nozzles pointed at the heat exchanger all on a continuous line that runs to the window washer tank. You cant believe the amount of stuff that is on the WRC window washer fluid tank, it has more wires, pumps, hoses, etc. I believe I read somewhere that the pump for the intercooler/heat exchanger sprayer is a working pump (which also supplies fluid for the water/meth injection), and all that is required to get it working is to wire it in. Well I couldn't find information on when it comes on, how long it sprayers for, or even if it does spray with out a switch. All that I read was that it could be wired in, but made no mention of to control the spray. Realistically I will only need the intercooler/heat exchanger sprayer to work when I am at WOT and wanting to cool the intake charge as much as possible. So based on the lack of information on the factory pump, I will install a new pump in place of the factory pump and connect all the factory lines that go the intercooler/heat exchanger sprayer to the new pump. As for wiring I will tap the power source for the pump to the wire off the Devils Own kit that sends power to the water injection pump so that way I only use the intercooler/heat exchanger sprayer when needed at WOT. So basically when the water injection starts spaying at 11psi, so will the intercooler/heat exchanger sprayer.

As far as the antilag system goes, I am not going to fool around with that for now because I really don't have a need for it. The pea shooter ct20b spools plenty fast on its own and doesn't need any help. I have some ideas for the antilag, but they aren't going to come into play until I am ready to upgrade to a bigger turbo. And no not all all antilag systems will destory turbos. Many EVO's use antilag and hold up just fine turbo/motor. I will do more research on this to see what makes the EVO antilag system less harsh compared to other systems. I obviously cannot use the antilag system like the WRC race car had, but with the plumbing in place, I do have a few options. Just need time, and a bigger turbo to make it all worth considering. In due time.

This post has been edited by _Jim_: Sep 22, 2008 - 7:51 PM

You write too much Jim. I don't even want to read that, I'll just ask Manny later...

where are the pictures!?!

This post has been edited by hurley97: Sep 23, 2008 - 6:12 AM

LOLOL I suppose you are right, that is a lot to take in. I went into detail because not everyone has the advantage to "just ask Manny" LOLOL. I took a bunch of pictures on Shannon's phone but apparently I saved them to the phone and not the sim car, so she has to locate some "cord" or something to put it on the computer.

Um Jim First off it wasn't a phone..you use a phone to make phone calls it was a camera ..a digital camera and yea u saved it to the camera bc I had the card in my computer at that time...since i never directly connect my camera to my computer I have to figure out were I put it...so I hope tonight I can find it...but yea the swap is pretty cool I'm just sitting back and watching them work but yea they are making process and spending lots of money.

GF's are great at finding your every flaw

ok, so, jim and shannon came up last weekend, and dropped off the motors, and chassis to me.

we've been waiting on a clutch disk, and have ordered some new OEM parts for the car and motor, and hopfully will be getting things up and running here real soon.

in the meantime, i had jimbo bring me up some reflective heat tape, to wrap the bottom of his intercooler with, much like Dustin did on his 205 swap and the UK guys like to do.

a couple pics:

the stuff we used. we got it from www.summitracing.com . IIRC it was ~51$, for a 4'X3' peice, which is PLEANTY to do the IC twice, and still have lots left over for god knows what! lol



the IC before:




starting the first layer:




2nd layer:







we also picked them up an oil filter sandwich plate from www.twosrus.com , because with the 205 IC and associated lines, ect, there really isnt enough room for the oil pressure sender where most people normally put it.

just as an FYI, the oil filter threads are 3/4-16.



more to come soon!

Damn - nice wrap job Pressure. I love these EC swap threads

ooh yeah to add to _jim_ wrc set up..the wrc motor comes with steel turbines 74080 which in the stock non-wrc st205 they come with ceramic turbine 74040. thats why the wrc has the anti-lag system the turbo itself can handle much more then a ceramic ct20b. just my little add on to this post..