 how to mod a 2.2L 96 celica? |
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 Feb 2, 2009 - 2:02 AM
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Listen to Jim, Manny (presure2,) and Shannon (supershannon77.) Jim has the 3SGTE swap in his car, and Shannon has a 5SFTE. All three know each other pretty well, so they can answer any questions you have about either the 5SFTE or 3SGTE. My advice for right now is to use the new chat room. You can almost always catch one of those three in the chat room, or at least someone else very knowledgeable in this area. You will learn in 5 minutes on there what would take days any other way.
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Feb 2, 2009 - 2:51 AM
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QUOTE (rstype23 @ Feb 1, 2009 - 1:29 AM)  would the 3sgte work with a front-wheel drive? and the stock transmission?  Oh...I suppose it does a little better than just work with it  [Drop in would be the phrase]Don't let anyone convince you otherwise - it's fcuking worth it  [Oh yeah - there are a few Camry v6 option that will put you @ 200BHP+ but - MEH - turbo is where it's at son  ] -posterity's sake
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Feb 2, 2009 - 10:35 AM
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you can use the 5s tranny on a 3sg, just build it strong.
Jim - would a 5s need internals to boost? what about pistons? -------------------- 94 Celica GT
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Feb 2, 2009 - 2:30 PM
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QUOTE (trdproven @ Feb 2, 2009 - 10:35 AM) you can use the 5s tranny on a 3sg, just build it strong. You do NOT need to build the 5s trany to support the 3sgte. It has held strong and true on many swpas to 300whp, after that tho.....you should start thinking about swapping to the E153 (can support WELL over 400whp) QUOTE (trdproven @ Feb 2, 2009 - 10:35 AM) Jim - would a 5s need internals to boost? what about pistons? No a 5s takes boost pressure VERY well. Both Shannon and Manny are pushing 16.7psi daily on there 100% Stock setups. And when I say stock, I mean stock. Nothing different with the motor then when the day it left from the factory, except for the addition of larger fuel injectors. There is NO need for internal work up until this point. Now how much further you can take it....well that road has yet to be traveled --------------------
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Feb 2, 2009 - 2:50 PM
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QUOTE (rstype23 @ Feb 1, 2009 - 11:52 AM) whats the difference between whp and hp? hahahaha imma a newb at this stuff. and the amount given above is it us dollars or cdn dollars? Welcome to the forums, fellow canuk'r. Might I suggest selling your car; forking out an extra 4k and importing a genuine GT-Four? This will give you the ponies you want, in a bad ass car, with all wheel drive for those sketchy winter days... lol. Not everyone has that option...  But it sure would be a dream-come-true for the majority of us.
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Feb 2, 2009 - 7:50 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 22, '07 From Burnaby, British Columbia, Canada Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
here's another potentially noob question...as anyone on here tried a 3sgte swap into an automatic celica?...would the transmission bolt up as well or what kinda mods will we be looking at to get it to work?
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Feb 2, 2009 - 9:19 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 31, '09 From Richmond Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i think i have a better idea of what i want now.
probably turbo it. and change the hood and front bumper to the ones of a gt4 and redo the interior hahahaha im curious though. does a awd drink more gas or front wheel drive? |
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Feb 3, 2009 - 7:36 AM
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QUOTE (_Jim_ @ Feb 2, 2009 - 2:30 PM) QUOTE (trdproven @ Feb 2, 2009 - 10:35 AM) you can use the 5s tranny on a 3sg, just build it strong. You do NOT need to build the 5s trany to support the 3sgte. It has held strong and true on many swpas to 300whp, after that tho.....you should start thinking about swapping to the E153 (can support WELL over 400whp) QUOTE (trdproven @ Feb 2, 2009 - 10:35 AM) Jim - would a 5s need internals to boost? what about pistons? No a 5s takes boost pressure VERY well. Both Shannon and Manny are pushing 16.7psi daily on there 100% Stock setups. And when I say stock, I mean stock. Nothing different with the motor then when the day it left from the factory, except for the addition of larger fuel injectors. There is NO need for internal work up until this point. Now how much further you can take it....well that road has yet to be traveled What I meant by build it up is install clutch and flywheel, beef it. Also, compression was ok on the 5sfe factory? So no need in dropping compression to offset boost? -------------------- 94 Celica GT
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Feb 3, 2009 - 7:32 PM
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QUOTE (trdproven @ Feb 3, 2009 - 6:36 AM) QUOTE (_Jim_ @ Feb 2, 2009 - 2:30 PM) QUOTE (trdproven @ Feb 2, 2009 - 10:35 AM) you can use the 5s tranny on a 3sg, just build it strong. You do NOT need to build the 5s trany to support the 3sgte. It has held strong and true on many swpas to 300whp, after that tho.....you should start thinking about swapping to the E153 (can support WELL over 400whp) QUOTE (trdproven @ Feb 2, 2009 - 10:35 AM) Jim - would a 5s need internals to boost? what about pistons? No a 5s takes boost pressure VERY well. Both Shannon and Manny are pushing 16.7psi daily on there 100% Stock setups. And when I say stock, I mean stock. Nothing different with the motor then when the day it left from the factory, except for the addition of larger fuel injectors. There is NO need for internal work up until this point. Now how much further you can take it....well that road has yet to be traveled What I meant by build it up is install clutch and flywheel, beef it. Also, compression was ok on the 5sfe factory? So no need in dropping compression to offset boost? factory compression is fine for boost. only thing you MIGHT want to do is get a slightly upgraded clutch. QUOTE (rstype23 @ Feb 2, 2009 - 8:19 PM) i think i have a better idea of what i want now. probably turbo it. and change the hood and front bumper to the ones of a gt4 and redo the interior hahahaha im curious though. does a awd drink more gas or front wheel drive? AWD has more drivetrain loss, so that 18% loss for a manual car is around 22-25% loss. so in short, AWD is slower except when traction is an issue (snow, 1st gear), and it uses up more gas, all else being equal. -------------------- QUOTE "And, as always, your friendship, help, and dedication to the advancement of Texas Celica dominance is GREATLY appreciated. Thanks bro." -DEATH 1994 GT: V6 swap, 5speed E53 W/ LSD, All Power, now RED 1995 ST: SOLD @273k miles, Auto, all power, CarPC, White 1994 ST: Totaled, 5spd, all power, Red RIP 07/09/09 @ 241,810 1994 Lexus LS400: This is my new DD |
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Feb 3, 2009 - 7:38 PM
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QUOTE (nammer @ Feb 2, 2009 - 6:50 PM) here's another potentially noob question...as anyone on here tried a 3sgte swap into an automatic celica?...would the transmission bolt up as well or what kinda mods will we be looking at to get it to work? 3SGTE + automatic has been done. you need an electronically controlled tranny (i think all 6th gen are) and an aftermarket electronic tranny control unit.. and set shift points at 5000-5500 rpm, which also limits your power even more, BUT you can build your engine(cams) and turbo size for this lower RPM setup. Smaller turbo, quicker spools, and cams w/ more torque around 3500-4000 will get you a pretty good engine/tranny/turbo setup. BUT if you honestly want to stay auto, i'd just turbo the 5S. that way you don't have to buy, wire, and program a transmission control unit. -------------------- QUOTE "And, as always, your friendship, help, and dedication to the advancement of Texas Celica dominance is GREATLY appreciated. Thanks bro." -DEATH 1994 GT: V6 swap, 5speed E53 W/ LSD, All Power, now RED 1995 ST: SOLD @273k miles, Auto, all power, CarPC, White 1994 ST: Totaled, 5spd, all power, Red RIP 07/09/09 @ 241,810 1994 Lexus LS400: This is my new DD |
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Feb 4, 2009 - 4:04 AM
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hmm this thread has also brought much valuable knowledge to me as well. You guys seem to make it so easy to turbo a 5sfte. . .im pretty noob with car mechnics but learning more each day. And will probably go down the 5sfte road myself since my engine is still a young puppy
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Feb 4, 2009 - 7:23 AM
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QUOTE (97celiman @ Jan 31, 2009 - 9:45 PM) so its ok for the mods to say that but not other people, all i said was look around, since half the people who join instantly make one of these threads, its easier for them to read than to have us bring all the links to them, plus they learn alot more (at least i did) and i said its dam near impossible to get it 200 hp keeping it NA "You will have a very hard time modding the 5sfe 2.2L to make 200hp" soooo i dunno what i said that was much different, ill say, i'd suggest looking at the stickies and alot of threads like pressures, blah blah blah if that sounds better either way its saying the same thing i have nothing against the guy, i was more abrupt than you i figured he'd get through the night you'll NEVER see a mod on this site "tell someone off" for not using the stickys. yes, we tell people to use them, that is what they are there for. to the OP, i really suggest that you do read thru the stickys in the forced induction forum, jim has already covered alot of the basics for you. -------------------- Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)
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Feb 4, 2009 - 5:19 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 31, '09 From Richmond Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
hmm...i've decided to go turbo
and do a gt4 conversion on the body. now i hope im within my 10k budget and pass a vehicle inspection if i need one. |
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Feb 4, 2009 - 6:03 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 25, '08 From california Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
man you all talking like tubroing a car is a pieces of cake. i should higher one of you guy to turbo my car lol. but im kinda broke now so i guess i will just lay low lol.
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Feb 4, 2009 - 6:22 PM
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Reading pressure2's stickies makes me kind of sad because I don't have the space to work on my car like that, nor a spare vehicle to drive to work in the mean time, nor the expendable income at the moment to invest in a project like this, BUT the tinkerer inside of me is driven nuts by the possibilities that your sticky presents before me, if only I could find the space/time/etc to do this.
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Feb 4, 2009 - 8:45 PM
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^ kinda how i feel haha, i should just pay pressure2 to fly down under and turbo my car lol XD. Then again wheres the fun in that
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Feb 4, 2009 - 9:26 PM
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QUOTE (whatthe @ Feb 4, 2009 - 3:04 AM) hmm this thread has also brought much valuable knowledge to me as well. You guys seem to make it so easy to turbo a 5sfte. . .im pretty noob with car mechnics but learning more each day. And will probably go down the 5sfte road myself since my engine is still a young puppy yeah, in the last few weeks i've been reading upon the 5sfte sticky. overall, i think it's simple if you do it with the ct-26 turbo because everything bolts right on. it may require some custom work here and there. now i just have to find a frickin' celica!!!!!!!!
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Feb 5, 2009 - 7:37 PM
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QUOTE (rstype23 @ Feb 4, 2009 - 6:19 PM) hmm...i've decided to go turbo and do a gt4 conversion on the body. now i hope im within my 10k budget and pass a vehicle inspection if i need one. Man, if you are going to do a GT4 conversion and your budget is $10,000, you should look for a front clip of a GT4. Then you'd get all the body parts you need for the conversion AND the 3SGTE. You'd be killing two birds with one stone. I know you want to turbo your 5S, but if it was me, that's what I'd do. -------------------- "Employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings, so that you shall gain easily what others labored hard for." -Socrates. Even Socrates told us to use the search button!
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Feb 6, 2009 - 9:51 AM
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QUOTE (Sinyk @ Feb 4, 2009 - 4:22 PM) Reading pressure2's stickies makes me kind of sad because I don't have the space to work on my car like that, nor a spare vehicle to drive to work in the mean time, nor the expendable income at the moment to invest in a project like this, BUT the tinkerer inside of me is driven nuts by the possibilities that your sticky presents before me, if only I could find the space/time/etc to do this. sigh... Dude - bring your car to my house this summer, I have a huge garage, air tools, and every gadget you would need to do those certain mods you would like to have done swiftly! We'll make a inter-provincial meet out of it, I'm talking BBQ, maybe a little cruise in the backroads to the mountains for a sweet photoshoot... oh ya! -------------------- |
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