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jhot denton on ebay has one for 2300

what years and cars were the redtop motors in............all iv come up with is 97-99 celica st202 ssii ssiii is my info right what am i missin

heres the link
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDM-Toyota-...sQ5fAccessories

looks like youre pretty far from a show finish bro,not that im clowning you or anything, im just being real..things needs to be fixed but so far so good.. my car being flashy isnt really my thing, i favor stock looking more than a "show finish" just my two cents, although "show finish" deserves alot of credit to the owner if done right, with alot of money time and knowledge everything is possible...good luck to you on this project..

thx yea work still needs to be done but right now car has changed alot since that last pix i just havent put them up yet i now have drilled slotted rotors trd style wing and coilovers hood and deck lid r sanded and primer black car dont run right now tho i pulled motor gettin beams redtop gonna rebuild the redtop and supe it up along wit turbo gettin sizzor doors new 17in rims blitz body kit split hood opens to the sides and deck lid raises straight up (the whole lid) well thoes r my plans in motion and im repainting the whole thing myself all work is done by me
i should get bout 600hp what im aimin for

So because you're not having useable cup holders; its ok to set the McDonalds cup right on the passenger seat??

BAHAHAHAHAHA

This post has been edited by KAOS: Feb 27, 2009 - 11:20 AM

sorry dude but you are on your way to rice out your car IMO. but to each his own. good luck with the "build"





and if you plan to turbo, dont turbo the 3sge beams, just buy a 3sgte, less of a headache and easier to swap in.

I've never seen a turbo red top beams. Isn't it meant to be an NA engine only because of high compression?

This post has been edited by Sinyk: Feb 27, 2009 - 12:03 PM

thats what i thought, unless he just wants to be able he to say he has a turbo beams engine.

icant i just rebuild it so compression is not at danger with turbo iv got time and my own shop.....but it being vvti is good for turbo....plz give info and im open to ur opinion feel free to speak ur thoughts

This post has been edited by Dragondog: Feb 27, 2009 - 12:15 PM

to turbo the 3sge you have to use the 3sgte internals, and wiring for the beams is a head ache. cheaper to buy a 3sgte and upgrade that than tryn to hassle with the beams IMO

Beams is VVTI?

Sweet... I didn't know that.

i see ur point on hassle but im at no worries on wireing it up if it can be done ill get it done and when u say 3sgte internals u mean head parts what bout pistons ...i know if i use thoes parts it will decrese my hp but then it can be turboed right? ok here is main question i have the time and tool to rebuild and money so what has more potential and will give me the most hp 3sgte r beams

beams is a nice NA motor, but you can do alot more with the 3sgte and alot less hassle as everyone is saying.

let me put it to ya this way.

3sge beams with out tranny is about 2300-2500 bucks. 197hp at the crank. almost no aftermarket support (esp. here in the states) NOT BOOST READY
3sgte 2nd gen CLIP is about 2000-2400 bucks depending on clip. 220ish hp and aftermarket support here in the states BOOST READY
3sgte 3rd gen CLIP 2200-2600 bucks depending on clip. 240ish hp and some aftermarket support. BOOST READY



so why not just go with a 2nd or 3rd gen 3sgte and build that?
beams will just be more headache than fun.
many people here on 6gc have done the 3sgte swap, lots of info on it and we are here to help answer questions that you may have.

i just cant think of anyone who has swapped the beams into their usdm car. the community may not have answers for the problems you may run into.

and that is my .02

whatever you do go with good luck and happy building

if i put shorter pistons in will that lower the compression ratio............what ratio is safe for turbo whats the 3sgte ratio.........................and i can see how u think its going to be riced out but its not im not going cheap on this im not just slapin aero taillights on and a coffe can for a xhast tip and call it fast the car gonna still have all it sexy curvs and style just gonna have a little aww in the parking lots

The beams motor doesn't have a whole lot of aftermarket support, so finding shorter, forged rods and forged pistons for that motor is going to be next to impossible. That is an engine that was tuned from the factory and is best left "as-is".



And if it's not cheap rice then you must've tossed the 3-spoke chromes, park bench spoiler, muffler tip, and all of your interior.

lol yes the the razor wing is gone the rims r gone will the head of the beams fit on the 3sgte? and what is the diff between the 87 3sge and the 97 beams

This post has been edited by Dragondog: Mar 1, 2009 - 3:21 PM

There's already a thread on this. I personally think the Beams head on a generation 3 or 4 3s-gte would be awesome. You'll need to work out a way to control VVT-i yourself (I've done this myself with ACIS.) RPM, MAP or TPS are good sensors to work with when controlling VVT-i.

Start with a 3S-GTE engine and a programmable ECU, then seize the moment when a red top head comes up, probably difficult to find in the US so look to import it.

I noticed you want 600HP though, you're kidding yourself. These are Celicas remember, not Supras.

i thought the same thing when i read list of whats going to be done, not that were bashing, again this is what everybody assumes when we see(or in this case read) somebody posts a "to-do list", i think its because most of the people nowadays rocks the stock look with no flashy body kits etc. simply because some of us thinks that body kits are already played out, unless ofcourse if its functional via its aerodynamics running road courses and time attack courses,other than that i prefer to stick with the simplicity it already has with its stock body, i have to give you props for re inventing your car to stand out,also i give you props for your plans of swapping motors and the effort to make it possible by learning alot more about the motors you will be working with, as i said before, anything could be done with the right amount of money knowledge and time, and the builder deserves alot of credit if done right, so whatever you do with your car is fine because you are spending your own time and money to it, do what you want to do with it all that matters is that your happy with what you have built...