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the beams 3s-ge vvti is the newest engine, the older engine (3rd gen 3s-ge) uses the same component as the 3s-gte just no turbo, its a better engine from a performance perspective plus it will handle more power

most people want a crap load of power out of their celica's, since the gt n st model are super slow to begin with. so thats why the go turbo or get the 3sgte. i am a fan of the 3sgte but just more of a fan of the N/A beams. I just dont like the whole idea of somewhere close to 300hp on a ff celica.. if i were to get the 3rd gen 3sgte, would keep it completely stock except for intake and 3" cat back exhaust.

And of course the beams didnt even get that much aftermarket performance support. They dont even make headers for the beams. you have to go custom wtf is that??

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Jun 6, 2009 - 3:19 PM

yes the beams has its limits for upgrading....as the 3sgte has alot more options......but going to far with the 3sgte on a frnt wheel drive car can happen.......the beams is a GREAT motor for thoes ones that like n/a just straight motor.......i see alot of ppl now doing k20 swaps (not in a celica)....all becuz its a n/a....its straight motor with lots of power.....for a n/a motor the beams is well worth it

This post has been edited by Dragondog: Jun 6, 2009 - 5:57 PM

I paid $2600.00 for my engine, harness and comp. (no front cut) It was missing parts. By the time all was said and done I had spent around $3500.

You can't find a header for the BEAMS because it comes stock with one. Why bother to remake a good header.

This post has been edited by Outsider: Jun 7, 2009 - 12:12 AM

I agree on this - why bother replacing the header on the beams - it is nicely designed. Remove the heat shield and it'll look like an aftermarket header. I paid $2100 for mine with all necessary parts, but I'm expectin to spend about the same once done ($3500) .

what??? lol, no the 4gen 3sge can handle the same power as the 3gen 3sge. the 4gen 3sge uses most components from the 3gen 3sge (some dont even change)
If you want I can show you the things that are the same/change?


if your going to take your heat shield off put heat wrap on, I really recommend it.

This post has been edited by Rusty: Jun 7, 2009 - 1:00 AM

it just seems like pheonix header ( pheonix is a guy who is the on mr2 beams forums who lives in japan) are better design than stock ones and look shinnier and compliment the engine bay. But yes i know you do need to wrap headers if you do not have a heat shield. I had ebay headers without wrapping and with, and there was quite a different.

Your saying that the header for the redtop beams has a great design, and i believe your right. So ya can you explain the similarities between the 3rd and 4th gen 3sge plz....

yup sure I'll add it to the 3S-GE sticky thread (the link in my signature) for future reading ok

i am thinking of doing a third gen 3sge swap ( non beams ) wondering if it is a straight swap , i am getting the motor + harness+ ecu . wondering what else i need and also i have a 1995 celica convertible with a 2.2 l motor . will the my body harness plug into the ecu any tips will be great , the motor is a gen 3 from a ss-III in japan
chris

is this engine not the same beams? cause its not as expensive or is it cheaper cause it doesnt come with the necessary components to do the swap?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDM-98-99-Toyota-3S-GE-Beams-Engine-RAV4-MR2-3SGE-VVTi_W0QQitemZ330339575623QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truc
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John I told you a long time ago I can get you one from a reputable importer [The Houston crew has bought several good clips from this place] for $1500 OBO. One of my best friends also works there so I can help with loading/shipping etc. BTW it's a full clip with body parts, steering wheel etc etc.

This post has been edited by DEATH: Jun 27, 2009 - 1:34 PM

Death ... hook me up with a beams....

Totally - last time I asked how much they wanted for this clip the said "make an offer". It's been sitting there for 4 years that I know of. I do know we got a Caldina GT4, Levin SCd and several ST-185 and MKII MR2T clips all for $1500 [or less in the case of some multiple clip deals]. My understanding is they are converting to a rim/parts wholesaler and are just trying to clear their inventory at near cost.
If you are serious and have cash in hand - make them an offer and I'll do my best to make it happen.

I'll take a clip in a couple months =P