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Well it looks like Toyota has lost my faith. Guess I'll just keep my 6gc until it dies. Stupid Toyota...

Hello STi....

Hey guys I shouldn't worry much.
You see Toyota is suffering from poor management. They lack of style and imagination. They just prefer to have simple cars, best overall but number one at nothing. Just for the history, one of the worst decisions i ever saw was to try to sell the Supra at Corvette price. Of course they failed and in the end they have stopped the whole production of the Supra.
And also the the 6 generation Celica in the US is bull$hit. Unthinkable to have the Celica SSii in every other country with 170-180 bhp and 125 bhp in the US. Nowonder the Hondas are laughing at you. Believe me they are not that cocky where i come from. They try to compete with the SS II but when the almighty GT4 comes into the picture they just put their tails between their legs and dissappear. Only Evos and STIs are a match where i come from and because of the higher weight of the GT4, Custom duties were a few thousand s more than the EVOs and the STIs.
Probably the best solution for an 8th gen Celica would be a car that is more ergonomic ie the RX8 with its 4 doors.
The Caldina GT4 as it is presented will not do. We get such crap already from those oversized SUVs.
I am very dissapointed with Toyota because the prefer to be known for the Corolla and not for the Celica.

MY hopes are high though. the involvement with formula 1 has to have a positive effect. Otherwise, why the hell are they competeing in races if they dont produce any race cars?

Oh well, we will just have to weight and see. whatever the case we will adapt.

This post has been edited by neoklis: Dec 4, 2003 - 8:53 AM

suffering?? umm... not really suffering. just heading in a different direction. theyre the highest grossing import manufacturer last year, and only GM and ford are grossing higher... and both of them are falling fast. if GM didnt have like 12 divisions it would be no contest. Toyota makes a hell of alot more than any one division associated with GM. toyota and ferarri are the only manufacturers in their formula series that designs all components, including chassis and motor. then toyota atlantic series is all toyota motors and chassis as well... so they do produce race cars, just not any sports cars.

i agree i would love for an 8th gen to be designed to rival a RX-8... but it doesnt soundly likely, and overall... doesnt sound like 21st century toyota.

as much as I would hate to see the end of the celica if all toyota could put out is more crap like the 7th gen then I wont loose any sleep over it.. personally I think if all they can could come out with would be a 8th gen built on the 7th gen platform then it would probalby be a favor to just end the celica line.

*in case you couldn't tell I hate the 7gc*

But if they came back the "S" series for the 8th gen then depending on how it looked I would probaby yank out my 3s and plant it in there.

BTW isnt there a version of the is300 that came with the 5sfe or 3sge motor? dont think it was USspec but overseas somewhere?

There has been an a design for years for a carbarater (sp?) that can supply upto 100MPG... but the designs keep gettin bought by the gas companies so they wont start being produced... which I hate to say is probably a good thing cuz our economy would probably not handle this very well.

Toyota Altezza... or IS200. 2.0 Liter Beams 3SGE. Dual VVT-i, on intake and exhaust sides, rated at 210 bhp. The 5sfe, as far as I know, isn't availiable in Japan... it's strictly an export.

A conspiracy theorist ehh? heh... I've heard things about Honda CVCC's (they have a different ignition design, small chamber above valves where the spark plug is)... and those things, when traveling behind a truck or something, can get very good gas mileage, say 80-90 mpg... but that's a dead design...

Man, I lost all faith in toyota..... Toyota is replacing the celica with the caldina which is suppose to be a third Scion car. What kinda retarded name is that? I didn't believe until i saw this:

I personally think Toyota missed the mark with the 7th gen Celica. Sure the performance of the GTS was marginally better than a 6Gc and the price was lower, however the formula was changing and Toyota pulled a reactive move. In the previous years, high RPM engines came in favor, so Toyota dropped the promise of high torque dropping the high displacement and not offering a turbo.

Toyota had the engine to become a killer in the market if they desired, but they refuse to be leaders in the market. ST215... Instead they followed to where the market was, not where it will be. It was a great hockey player who said you go to where the puck will be, not were the puck is. If you go to where the puck is, it will be gone by the time you get there. TRD superchargers are a quick fix to power problems but they are crude and not optimal. They are like the 4-barrel carbs of the 60's.


My forecast of were I would like Toyota to take the Celica in 2006/2007:

Combine the roots of the Celica with the near past of the Celica. Lightweight car (2700 lbs) 4 cylinder engine, rwd. GT with a 2.4 lt. NA engine 160 HP(can you say 2Z-FE???), GTS with a 240 HP 2.4 lt engine(8 psi on a 2Z-fe engine). This would not be that difficult, and would add a small premium to the GT level car switching to RWD, and the GTS would be less than an RX-8 but much faster. It could use standard components from the Camry, and would not require the high tech-solutions and problems of the 2ZZ-GE.

Am I a fool, or it this a solution that is too simple?
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This post has been edited by GeEkBoY: Dec 5, 2003 - 12:28 AM

if the caldina has a 3sgte. I'd have one.... maybe

The celica always cycles. I bet anything they keep up the patent on the name.... (just like they did after the death of the 6th gen.)

geekboy, maybe those could have some ge head, instead of the fe head, I say ban the fe in any toyota sports car.

granted, my gt is enjoyable,but, I'd rather have something with a ge head

how does motortrend figure that the Caldina is 'kind of youth orientated coupe'?

the caldina is and always has been a 5 door wagon based on a japanese sedan inbetween the size of a corolla and a camry and they only have soarer, celica and mrs in japan as sporty coupes

i would have thought that there would be a new celica next year, since the 7th gen came out in 99 and i dont think it would last as long as the 6th gen and it was face lifted a few years from being launched. i reckon watch out for any toyota concept coupes at motorshows like the XYS (was that what it was called?) that was a 'concept' and a few months later the same thing was a celica with a different rear spoiler.

well i think its smart of toyota to change up the celica and switch it over to the scion brand..... ture it's not going to be a toyota celica anymore but shift, things change... scion only had two cars in its line up then need to add cheap more powerful cars to their line up.. i feel toyota it doing some smart moves.... they have lexus.. for the the older richer folk... toyota for your everyday 9 to 5 family person... and now scion for the younger work at burger king just out of high school crowd..

don't be shocked if a few years you see some cars showing up under the scion name plate that resamble a celica, supra, or mr2....

have faith in toyota...

I think toyota has been slipping in the past few years, they have been shifting towards a more family oriented type of market. But i think its retarded that they get rid of a car that has sold like crazy since the 70's or 60's(not sure which). Anyways i dont think they should get rid of it and they probably wont. I wont be suprised if they quit on the celica, i say this because next year the corollas will have a new model, the corolla xrs which is the same as the 1.8L used in the celica and matrix, so its possible that the corolla will replace the celi......its a shame!!!

I remember when that happened.

Man, that scion is one ugly car. In fact, they all are. Even the logo is stupid looking. I'm tired of old people who work at car companies and car magazines trying to tell young people what to drive. The 2-door sports car is what everyone really wants. Why stop making it? Not everyone likes "Euro" looking hatchbacks. A lot of people will always like fast and sexy looking coupes. If companies want to keep selling 2 door cars, they need to keep them simple, and let people modify them as they please after they're bought. Companies started screwing up their coupes after they tried taking some of the aftermarket share of money by offering their own junk and driving up the price of their cars. Celicas, Civics, CRX's, etc. will always be popular because they were simple, cheap, affordable, and fun to modify, and also good looking. Those Scion cars are so far off from the good looking Celica designs it's not even funny. Since no one's going to make any good looking coupes anymore, I'm gonna have to keep my 6gc forever.

I dont know I think Id ave to see it in person to make a 100% decision but ya I dont think Ill like it. Id rather just get the new mazda3 thats coming out, it looks pretty sweet, and well im at it Ill just upgrade to a RX-8":) Soooooo sweet

I just hope that all this hooplah isn't true. I really love the celicas. I am not a huge fan of all the body styles, but i think that every gen body style has been a good one. I do know that toyota has been making the celica a weak little bitch since the 5th gen(excl. alltrac). The 6th and 7th are weak cars power wise. maybe they did this on purpose to put more R&D into other cars. If not then they are being dumb. If they dio stop, I will keep my celica till it won't run anymore. I was looking to get a new supra or celica. hell I might not buy another toyota if they stop celica. this just pisses me off

from what i understand after reading a thread on club4ag is...

due to popular demand, they are bringing back the FR corolla. the ae86 specifically. only its not going to be a hachi. its going to be based off the altezza platform. with a 3sge in it.

but its going to be a 3 door hatch looking like a futuristic hachi. the concept designs that i saw were pretty cool. and i know that if that car's base is less than 20K...well it looks like there are going to be plenty of them around.

the car looks nice too. but i think id rather have a hachi with a 4agze.

as for the celica...it wouldnt surprise me if it did die off. atleast it kind of went out with a bang considering the ridiculous amount of 7gc's i see compared to 6gc. hell i see more 5 and 4 gc's than i do 6gc. im surprised it made it to seven.

yeah...US market always gets the shaft...and balls

[QUOTE]There's no U.S. market for a 2 door AWD turbocharged sports car. That's the big difference maker... the celica is a 2 door sports car... not a 4 door sports sedan. As far as a competitive price goes... gt-4s always were in the 30K range... so that's also very unlikely.



^Just wondering man, why is there no market for 2-door AWD turbos??? i am so sick of seeing mommy sedans flying around with their big ass ends up in the air looking like box

This post has been edited by celicamanSTX2GT: Dec 10, 2003 - 1:39 AM

How many do you see around? The only that were ever sold here were the awd DSM's and the Celica Alltracs. How common are they? If there aren't many around, say as many as the "mommy sedans" then one would figure they didn't sell well and so the companies stopped marketing them here... supply and demand... pretty straight forward stuff. Of course enthusiasts such as ourselves would love to see a rebirth of those types of vehicles, however, we are a VERY small percentage of the buying community, and most people who can afford to drop 25-30k on a vehicle would much perfer a larger vehicle, or an SUV...