 Question on st to ST205, Help! |
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 Aug 10, 2009 - 4:16 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 16, '08 From Tampa,Fl Currently Offline Reputation: 4 (100%)  |
hey guys im thinking about picking up a st185 Canadian all trac dirt cheap...the cars been wrecked beyond repair and I'm wondering how hard it will be to make my 95 st Celica AT200 into an st205 with st185 Drive train(Motor,transmission,drive shaft,rear sub frame,diff.,axles,and rear suspension) what is required? is it possible? or can i only do front wheel drive with the engine?
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Aug 10, 2009 - 6:28 AM
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Enthusiast  Joined Aug 16, '03 From Bay area Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
it would be very difficult to convert a ST to awd considering there is nothing in common between the two celica frames.
the easiest route to take would be to take the engine and mount it to your existing transmission. This is actually a pretty common swap, you can read more about it by searching the forums. |
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Aug 10, 2009 - 2:33 PM
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QUOTE (Hanyo @ Aug 10, 2009 - 6:28 AM)  it would be very difficult to convert a ST to awd considering there is nothing in common between the two celica frames. the easiest route to take would be to take the engine and mount it to your existing transmission. This is actually a pretty common swap, you can read more about it by searching the forums. not quite true the AT200 frame is closest to the ST205 in terms of AWD setup due to the fact it is based off a 4wd car (caldina? idr) and his ST tranny will not bolt to the 3s. the C52 is an A series tranny but no, the drivetrain of the st185 is too different to bolt onto the T20 chassis -------------------- QUOTE "And, as always, your friendship, help, and dedication to the advancement of Texas Celica dominance is GREATLY appreciated. Thanks bro." -DEATH 1994 GT: V6 swap, 5speed E53 W/ LSD, All Power, now RED 1995 ST: SOLD @273k miles, Auto, all power, CarPC, White 1994 ST: Totaled, 5spd, all power, Red RIP 07/09/09 @ 241,810 1994 Lexus LS400: This is my new DD |
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Aug 10, 2009 - 3:08 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 8, '03 From Lancaster CA Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%) |
wait, now how different can the 185 be? since its all going to be fab work in the rear end, just follow the thread about the guy that put a 205 rear end in his ST204 and use a custom drive shaft.
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Aug 10, 2009 - 5:23 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 23, '08 From boston MA Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
QUOTE (Smaay @ Aug 10, 2009 - 4:08 PM) wait, now how different can the 185 be? since its all going to be fab work in the rear end, just follow the thread about the guy that put a 205 rear end in his ST204 and use a custom drive shaft. you guys have no idea if you use the rear end of a 205 then u dont need a custom driveshaft its already driveshaft ready |
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Aug 10, 2009 - 7:52 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 16, '08 From Tampa,Fl Currently Offline Reputation: 4 (100%) |
So what your saying is with a st205 rear sub-frame and suspension && drive shaft this awd swap is possible ?? And if im mistaken on this what all parts would i need to make it work? Thanks again guys the help is really appreciated !!!!!
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Aug 10, 2009 - 8:00 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 23, '08 From boston MA Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
QUOTE (Cubita2 @ Aug 10, 2009 - 8:52 PM) So what your saying is with a st205 rear sub-frame and suspension && drive shaft this awd swap is possible ?? And if im mistaken on this what all parts would i need to make it work? Thanks again guys the help is really appreciated !!!!! look at my profile tthen look for my thread |
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Aug 11, 2009 - 3:06 AM
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the st185 rear axles and suspension rods are shorter than the st205 ones. in other words, the st185 rear wheelbase are narrower than the st205. you're better off just swapping the engine.
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Aug 11, 2009 - 5:19 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 23, '08 From boston MA Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
i thought he was asking about the 205?
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Aug 11, 2009 - 5:48 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 16, '08 From Tampa,Fl Currently Offline Reputation: 4 (100%) |
QUOTE (pipes @ Aug 11, 2009 - 6:19 AM) i thought he was asking about the 205? im asking if the st185 3s motor in my celica would be possibe to do AWD and if not what would be needed? -------------------- |
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Aug 11, 2009 - 1:34 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 22, '07 From Houston, TX Currently Offline Reputation: 4 (100%) |
you need a e153 or s54 tranny and matching shift cables, and ST205 engine mounts to mate up to the 3s and your ST chassis
-------------------- QUOTE "And, as always, your friendship, help, and dedication to the advancement of Texas Celica dominance is GREATLY appreciated. Thanks bro." -DEATH 1994 GT: V6 swap, 5speed E53 W/ LSD, All Power, now RED 1995 ST: SOLD @273k miles, Auto, all power, CarPC, White 1994 ST: Totaled, 5spd, all power, Red RIP 07/09/09 @ 241,810 1994 Lexus LS400: This is my new DD |
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