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Folks this topic is again about what already was told about year ago...

topic #1: http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=60316
topic #2: http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=61802

In short. CEO of German branch of Toyota has confirmed that Toyota and Subaru age making new car. Body will be Toyota and engine Subaru. Since than many people call it "Toyobaru" (just google that word and you see). There are announced two versions:

a) GT with 2litre, 4cylinder "boxer" engine and rear wheel drive with 200HP
b) AWD GT (so no GT-four) with engine from Impreza STi with 300HP

This is known... but since "financial situation of the world" they postponed release from 2009 to 2011. So... rumors can continue for another two years and I bet there will be even more topic about this "shocking new information" .

This post has been edited by malpaso: Sep 9, 2009 - 2:09 AM

boxer engine noooo!!!! and with subaru, friggin horrible. Just when you thought toyota was starting to get back into the racing scene they decide to use subaru's 4 cylinder boxer engine. eww

toyota needs to make another engine with yamaha.

if the gt is going to be rear wheel drive, they should make some more horsepower, so that they can compete with the s2000.

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Sep 9, 2009 - 1:46 AM

new toyota release artist impression........confirmed in the USA, Aus,

I have driven the V6 Solara, and although it feels quick, it's certainly not a sports car, sports coupe, or sports anything. I wanted one for a while because they feel quick but have the practicality of a Camry.



You just hit the nail on the head. Another thought is that America keeps outsourcing our jobs to other countries because of cheap labor. Toyota keeps outsourcing their jobs to America. America is Japan's Mexico, as it were. And when the Japanese are done with all the good stuff, they scrap their cars and send what's left here, just like you said.

Death, strong words there. But I have to say I completely agree.

Wow, that looks very Supra-ish (potentially, because let's face it, they wouldn't do this unless it was a sporty vehicle they planned on keeping around which means changing the body style and such as the years progress, otherwise, it will take on an older more popular classic name, such as Celica, MR2 or Supra....... That or unless it is true that it is for their Scion line, but....... nevermind).

This post has been edited by Random_Stranger: Sep 9, 2009 - 4:07 PM

i believe that subaru should not make a car with toyota. subaru has a good thing going(yes making a car with toyota will give it more spotlight but subaru is a car people buy because its what they want(what i call the subaru lifestyle).) and to be honest i take subaru more seriously than toyota, toyota just seems to pump out cars to make money(in my opinion toyotas now are pretty bland like the camrys/corrollas of the 90's, they are soo focused on what honda/nissan does that they all end up making the same car IMHO) subaru on the other hand gives you a no BS car. they offer you what the car is; unlike a celica/tc/ civic si or any fwd "sports" car they just dont give you the "feel" of a sports car subaru delivers in my opinion great cars and they are only going to get better. toyota being the great company that it is has the abitlity to produce a true rwd sports car that will eat up anything gm, ford, could possibly make. imo the toyburu or w/e its called is a bad idea for both companies. toyota has the ability and more importantly the capital to make it happen. i hope toyota does make a true sports car and im waiting for that day. sorry if i offend anyone its just that like both companies but subaru is just special to me.

Well, after seeing this one here..I decided to go searching somewhere and I cant remember where I read it at, but somewhere online they said it should make a showing at the 09 Tokyo autoshow...oct 23.

toyota own a part share in subaru.....
its easier and cheaper to make 2 cars from one chassis design......

whether its right or wrong its good business.....IMO...... but i am sceptical about a boxer powered rwd.....
subaru have the market in 4WD vehicles... it would be stupid of them and toyota to compete head to head for suach another car....
Hense a RWD toyota version...... and from what ive read they will look different just share the same chassis.....

so for those that wish to ... it would be quite possible to then turn the celica into a 4wd weapon......using the subaru gear.. as it's made for the same chassis.......

massive plus for those in the modding business.....

I know that Toyota makes great cars, and I know that the STi is one of the most fun cars out there. I don't see anything wrong with combining two good things. Granted, I wish the Celica was still around, and I wish Toyota had a good sports car out there, but I don't see anything wrong with this car. You better believe that if I have the money, I'll be buying one. I drove by a car dealership the other day that had a 2010 Mustang GT sitting next to a 2010 Challenger. And I've never noticed it until I saw them sitting next to one another, and I don't see it when they are apart, but sitting next to each other, they looked virtually identical. The concepts I see here don't look a thing like either one of them, and that's worth a lot to me. That's what I love about the 6gc. The only cars that resemble it are the Hyundai Tiburon, which the Celica looks way better, and the Supra. And I'm not the least bit ashamed when somebody tells me how awesome my "Supra" is.

im aware of toyota owning i belive 18-20% of subaru, its just that id rather not see it happen even if its a celica. toyota has the full potential of building great sports cars on their own like the supra it was and still is a good true sports car. have they forgotten what it took to make the supra? toyota is a great powerful company that could easly make a better car than subaru, have the engineers/designers forget how they made gt4's/mr2's/supras? toyota has the experiance to create their own sports car. subaru should stick to awd its what they do best. i would not drive a subaru with a toyota badge. what about lexus they make great cars maybe toyota should look into stripping down and redesigning it. its a great base for a toyota sports car. plus the competition between companys is what truly improves a brand. were would the sti stand with out an evo, supura/rx7/3000gt/skyline they are all responses to one another the merging and cooperation of companies is good for business but bad for the cars, in the end there would be less sports cars offered, and it would dilute a companies full potential.

This post has been edited by gomezjose26: Sep 10, 2009 - 8:08 AM

All I know is that if hyundai can put out a sports car, then toyota needs to get on the ball...

^^^Word.

Preach on Brotha Keison! Preach on! Amen to that!

Hands down the quote of the day.

very good discussion everybody. wow I couldn't believe it when presure 2 said that only 81 all trac celica were sold in 1993. then i searched it and it was a fact. what a shame

i agree with keison x20000000

and richee youre right we do get japan's junk... and be that as it may, they need to drop subaru, stop BULL$#!ttING and just start remanufacturing the 4th gen 3sgte (which was discontinued RECENTLY 2003-04?)

BADA-BING cheap solution 265whp for starters. but im a dreamer so what do i know?

There are reasons why things are they way they are. Latest rumor is that celica will be catered to your dad and your grandpa. Latest rumor is that people are also trying to buy environmentally and gas efficient vehicles. What boggles my mind though is that while toyota keeps scratching their head I see the general trend sort of "leave" toyota cars.
Just look outside your window and count number of all wheel drive subaru wrx. You can stop counting at 10 because you will be done counting in probably next 10 minutes.

Sure lets built fuel efficient vehicles... but lets also at least try to retain your dignity or something. There are now far more evolutions and sti's cruising around than there are honda and toyota vehicles. Not everywhere, of course but toyota has arguably kissed their sports vehicles good bye. I think what is happening is that as all of us car tuners growing up we tend to "upgrade" to what is available.

As for revival of celica... we are going to see exactly what is it in just little bit. Tokyo motor show is just around the corner in october. I think.... well I know.. that if this little promotional concept car will turn out to be a sports dud then my next vehicle will be either evo9 or evo10. My 11 year commitment to toyota brand,,, and my parent's commitment to toyota brand is stretching thin.

Bottom line is that people buy sports cars knowingly that they will be eating gas like crazy but deliver all the fun in the world. What car manufacturers need to do is keep producing sports cars but price them lower. Lets look at evo vs sti debacle. One costs 30 and one costs 40. Both vehicles are comparable but one comes out to $800/mo and another to about $500 and therefore you see far more sti's than evo's. If toyobaru was a all wheel drive bucket of fun priced at $400 per month I swear I would jump on that idea so fast its not even funny.

800 500 and 400 dollars a month FOR WHAT EXACTLY!?!?!?!?!?!????????? please tell me youre including insurance gas etc and not JUST CAR PAYMENTS... lol my credit isnt THAT BAD...

all jokes aside i agree on that point. and toyota is PERFECTLY capable of providing a vehicle within that price range, BUT as stated before, toyota is admittedly afraid of their own potential.... sorta like the democrats

This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Sep 13, 2009 - 9:29 PM

I meant in car payments mate. Owning an evo every month probably equates to 1200 ish. Thats for the Raliant X model. Average evo 9 sells for around 25K with 8.7 percent apr at a dealership. 2008 evo x comes with 0 percent apr at a dealership but is also costs 40 grand ;-(

edit: estimates are just based off calculator on their site

This post has been edited by yarik83: Sep 14, 2009 - 8:44 PM

and Hyundai will have earned my business with a Genesis coupe if Toyota doesn't get the picture soon.

I love the Celica, but when I finish my degree in a year or 2 the car will be well over the 200k mark and I'll be needing something.

As far as the Toyobaru, I think it could be a good car. The boxer engine has potential, and tons of aftermarket support. They are every bit as reliable as a Toyota motor, and sound pretty mean too. RWD or AWD the car will be good. I just hope there isn't a huge price markup, they need something in the low 20's to compete with the Genesis coupe and the Civic Si.