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does anybody else feel confused when this read this. Im thinking im not understanding what you guys are saying. Ok so this is what i plan on doing. Fidanza lightweight flywheel, and a Clutch Master Stage 2 clutch kit. will this work. any pics/ illustrations would help explain and yes, i did change my own clutch with a help of a friend so i kind of know what your talking bout. whats a 5s spline??

Engine Coming out today. Sure would like to pull it from the top but doesnt look like there is any room. Man a lift would be handy about now.

it's do-able from the top.

the 5s disk does, and is working.
especially for these guys that arnt pushing 300+ft lbs. thru the disk

yes, its a 3s flywheel you guys would need, 3s pressure plate, 5s disk (or 3s disk with S54 spline count) and s54 TOB



15 or 16 chain links on the drivers side hook, 5 on passanger, lower the tranny and out it comes!

Its out. Down through the bottom it came. Its a good thing because I have tried everything to get the driver side axle out. We are prying so hard I am concerned something could get boogered up. Any tricks I am not aware of?? In fact the 3sge they just tore out the axle from the tulip as its still in the transaxle.

EDIT * Axles is out. 4ft 2" angle iron and it popped out. *

This post has been edited by turnip: Sep 3, 2009 - 9:36 PM

yeah axles are a PITA getting out. one reason i love the 7th gen axles. they have a clip in them that prevent pulling the shaft out of the CV. just pull on the axle and it pops out

Engine in and hope to have it running this week. Gonna be a busy one with work so I am not sure when I will get back to it. Will keep you all posted. Appreciate all the help.

wow you dont muck around, good to see more 3s-ge 's being put in

After a of crazy work week, I finally got a chance to finish hooking everything up in prep to try to start it. Pin 4 and 17 are spliced together and the harness is hooked up. I gave it a whirl and the dash lights up and I hear the fuel pump kick over but when I try to start I get nothing. I went back and checked all of my splices in the engine bay and they look good.

Is there something I am missing? On page one Batman said that a few wires have to be repinned? It seems like the starter is not being told to turn over. I suspect there might be a wire under the dash that needs spliced. I am looking over the ecu pin outs between the two ecu's. I am trying to find a pin out diagram for the three plugs that connect from the beams harness to the under dash harness. trolling mr2.com in the meantime.

Thanks

This post has been edited by turnip: Sep 12, 2009 - 9:23 PM

It's not just pins 4 and 17 on EA1, but interior wires also. I told you it wasn't plug and play...
hint : if it's not starting, refer to "starting and charging" in both manuals

start with this...
was you car m/t ? if so, you need to switch a wire from one interior plug to another. Interior plugs are the 3 plugs next to the ECU that plug in vertically. If it was an auto there's additional wiring like I did with Tina's, Stef's, and Jim's car but it's move involed and difficult to explain online, but I'll try if you need me to, just let me know.

m/t - you need to pull the black wire (pin 18) from the white plug and move it to the dark grey plug to pin 17. That is the clutch start switch wire. Overseas and US have the csw wire in different spots, so you need to move pin 18 from the white plug to pin 17 in the dark grey one, just like the 5s harness.

didn't you compare the pins in the 2 harnesses before you started ?

This post has been edited by Batman722: Sep 13, 2009 - 12:53 AM

First off. Thank you. I did look over the harness before starting but must say I was a little confused as its a little intimidating when you dig into it. Thats when I decided to post up and start doing more research.

So now that you have guided me in the right direction. Pin 18(white) and Pin17(dark grey) are now connected. In reviewing all of the 3 vertical plugs, here is what I have that does not match.


Plug E6 (light grey)
USDM Harness has Pin 4 - missing on Beams harness - wire color blue with orange rings

Plug E3 (Dark Grey)
USDM harness has Pin 1 - Beams Pin 8 - Wire color white with blue stripe
USDM harness has Pin 10 - 0 on Beams - wire color blue with white stripe
USDM harness has Pin 16 - 0 on Beams - wire color pink
USDM harness missing Pin 9 - Beams has this - wire color solid grey/silver ring

Thanks




This post has been edited by turnip: Sep 13, 2009 - 8:56 AM

sorry if I came off like a jerk, it was late at night and I was tired.
FYI if you car was an auto, doing this will not make your car start.

Its a manual.

This celica is being gutted. Cruise, ABS, Airbags all coming off along with everything that is not needed for it to run. It will never see pavement again. Already removed AC and power steering.

I will go over everything again and see if it starts.

Thanks again.




This post has been edited by turnip: Sep 13, 2009 - 9:14 AM

the reason I ask if it was an auto is the pink wire on IJ1 pin 16 is only on autos...or at least I thought. My 95 GT doesn't have that wire, maybe just a 94 thing.

any recent pics of the car ?

I will get some up today. It turns over and sounds like its gonna start but then doesnt. So i am puzzled. Gonna pop out hte plugs and check compression and spark and I knows its getting fuel to the injectors. I am also suspect of vacuum. I am using my charcoal canister and believe to have all the lines hooked up correctly but that might be my issue.

Will post up a little later.

Update: Spark on all cylinders.
Cylinder Compression is 165 on 1 and 2
Cylinder Compression is 178 on 3 and 4

My book says compression for the 3sge-non beams should be 178 reg with a 142 min. Does anyone have the offical beams compression in lbs per inch?

Got back in and tried to start and it ran for a brief second. The fuel line definitely has pressure on it as i had a small leak which rules out the fuel pump.
Beginning to suspect the injectors and the TPS sensor. Because holding the throttle in one spot has better results than not touching at all.

Update:
Injectors seem to be working all indications point to AFM and T/B. Gonna get that aftermarket intake and do some cleaning.

Update 9/14
Had it running after fabricating a make shift intake as I do not have the stock beams box. Its running on a open header and idles okay. Ordered that CAI pipe with the AFM sleeve off ebay should be here friday. Will see how that goes.

This post has been edited by turnip: Sep 14, 2009 - 2:31 PM

whoa is that compression right? 3sge (3gen) is about +190psi

From mr2 beams forum.

Compression pressure:
Reference level 1.37Mpa converted to psi is 198.7
Limit 1.08Mpa converted to psi is 146.4

This makes sense because the non beams 3sge is 10.5:1 and the beams is 11.0:1

does the stock 5sfe MAF sensor work with the 3sgem beams?

Anyone have a beams B-pipe laying around the want to sell? Or has anyone had any luck modding the 5sfe b-pipe? I am toying with this option or just cutting off the stock manifold right above the collector and welding up my own. I would prefer stock option versus welding.

Throwing the axles in now and removing the sway bar and the rest of the exhaust system why I got it up in the air. Then I have get the dash figured out.

what is the b pipe? the second part of the exhaust? yours did not have it?