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very well put kwanza

oh i was just asking you why there is no market for 2 door turbos anymore.. like literally i dont know why so i ask you lol. i see nothing around my town...there isnt not one all trac in town, a few 5th gens, maybe 5 6th gens, and a butt load of 7th's. theres a good number of dsm's round here though that are turboed. what we do have around here are alot of guys runnin around in their protege turbos, neon turbos and other stupid crap... i just hate em cuz i feel it defeats the purpose. why do u need a turbo-charged grocery getter? gotta spool down the road to pick up you kid from school? sedan = family and families shouldnt being riding around in super fast cars is my two cents. But yeah i was just askin why the market is all for turbo sedans over two doors??? it just frustrates me

This post has been edited by celicamanSTX2GT: Dec 10, 2003 - 1:51 PM

probably the reason there arent really anymore sport/sporty coupes with balls is because like people have said, theres no market for them. car companies like to tell us what we want, and they pretty much have no clue. most teens (at least, the ones i know) arent hard over corollas and scions (fugly imo btw).

second, most likely its cause no one wants to give a teenager a fast car cause supposedly we're dangerous. i know some are, but that just reeks of ageism (?). mature people arent gonna get em cause they have families, and the ones that dont go for higher end models like corvettes etc. cause what middle aged man wants to be seen in a "kids" car? i dunno...i agree it sucks. just my opinion/idea. any comments?

This post has been edited by LuDaChRiS: Dec 10, 2003 - 3:33 PM

hey,
NEW Scion Tc will be unveiled Jan 4th in Detroit..

it is a coupe with a hatchback style trunk lid..

looks like 2.4l is only motor w/ s/c available later ..

someone do a seach on net for scion Tc there is a picture of real car back section on a bunch of websites and post here ..


d-

Well, I am probably going to get flamed on this, but I disagree with those of you that are calling the Celica a sports car. Now, I do agree that it is a sporty, fun-to-drive car, but a sports car it is not.

The definition above doesn't really address drive wheels, and I may date myself by saying so, but I feel that a sports car has to be rear wheel drive.

Again, not trying to knock the Celica, or start a flame war.

I would hate to see the Celica die out, but honestly, I wouldn't be suprised to see it happen. It seems that more and more people are so influenced by horsepower figures. Fine. The Celica doesn't put down impressive numbers in that arena, and perhaps this contributes to its populatiry over the last decade. What it does have (or more aptly, doesn't have) is weight. Ever see curb weights on sales brochures? On TV ads? Hell, ever time I see a commercial for a car, it seem they are telling me what horsepower it has. What good is 200 or so horsepower if the friggin thing weights 3000-odd pounds?

Part of the problem is that it costs considerably more to reduce the weight of a car than to drop in a bigger/heavier motor that pushes more horsepower. Remember that a car manufacurer also has to meet industry crash standards, so weight trimming has to be done with this in mind. Unobtanium parts can be used, but drive up the base price of the vehicle. It is a heck of a lot easier to slap the public in the face with 200 Horsepowah!! and just skirt the fact that in order to do that they just dropped in a cast-iron v8, so the car's now a porker and corners like the QE2.

I am willing to pay a premium for a car that is light on its feet. This often means that the displacement is low (and power is not intimidatingly large). I think that fewer and fewer people feel the same, and even less are willing to fork over a bit more for said nimbleness.

I think the Celica is a great mix of practical and sporty. My liftback can carry my drumset, or a set of race tires, or herd of rabid hedgehogs... Okay, so I haven't actually tried the last one, but you get my point. I like the versatility. I hope it doesn't go by the wayside, but I am afriad that the public's perception of what is important in a vehicle has changed... for the worse.

Out of curiousity, does your guys(americans) 7th gens have 185hp?

yeah, maybe 180hp, not too sure

but the main reason why the 7th gen isnt so great is its low end torque.

i have read honda forums where even those guys say that it lacks torque

ConeTrouble

i agree with you. to be a true sports car, the car must not be FWD. fwd was/is made for comfort, easy handling, and safety.

a true sports car is either RWD or AWD. and if you notice, all are either roadster cars or hatchbacks, like the vipre rt/10 and the viper gts respectively

for daily driving fwd is great, but for straight line performance, RWD is the platform to have.

and HP sells cars, thats why its all they tell you in adds. hardly anyone knows what torque is.

dont believe me, walk into a honda dealer, go look at a new civic SI and read the sticker. doesnt say a damn thing about torque. ask a salesman and they say, "uh, it has 160hp"

This post has been edited by 97sccelica: Dec 11, 2003 - 8:15 PM

Cone i agree with you the celica is not a sports car it's a sporty car.. but as for a sports car having to be RWD i disagree on that... a sports car can be FWD and anyone that says you can't get as much HP or TQ out of a FWD is ever much mistaken...

thats not the arguement.

the main problem is traction with high power FWD and loss of drivability as power increases.

700whp supras and muscle cars can be easily driven on the streets, good luck with a 500+whp fwd car.

but, hardly anyone takes a car that far, which is why sporty fwd cars are ok by me.

Yes.

the FWD and RWD drive cars have the same problem with traction.. if you have a LSD you won't have any traction problems... and high end sports cars come with this stock

LSD helps, but when a high power car launches, there is a weight shift to the back, naturally reducing the weight on the front wheels, reducing front wheel traction.

then there is torque steer, which is annoying in my ST-T

thats where your suspension comes into play... ture your car is going to lean back.. but that can be corrected .. and because a FWD car has most of it's weigh at the front right above the center of the wheels it's is a lot easier to fix then it would on a RWD ... but then it comes down to which you like better.. being pushed or being pulled...

I personally like what that guy MR-E said on celica.net. He has a JDM GT-4. He said he just drives around corners and floors it, he lets his differentials sort it out. True, understeer can be a problem with AWD, but AWD like a skyline is the greatest.

From what I have read,the skyline GT-R's are basically RWD, but when they Really lose traction, the front end catches and it's all over

Jon

The Celica not a sports car? You must be kidding.

If the celica is not a sports car then what kind of car was carlos sainz was driving when he was winning all those chiampionships?

The problem is that \many thigs are different and different countries. In the US the distances are bigger, the cars are a lot bigger etc. In my country a 2000cc car is considered a big car. I live on a small island and the distances are not that great, so people do not need large and high powered cars. So the measure of comparison is different from country to country.
I have a GT4 and my friends have SS III and GT4s and even if you do not tune this cars they are sport enough.
SS III 200bhp, 21 torque
GT4 260bhp, 31 torque

I agree with many of you that the 7th gen is a bit crap. But not a lot. in my point of view the 7 is decent.

Marketing and promotion plays a big role. Just look what Mitsubishi, Pegeot, Subaru accomplished. You just cannot say you have a sports car if you dont race it internationally against other cars. And i do not think that anyone disagrees with me when i say that Impreza or the Lancer has a sports car design

Personally 6g Celica best car ever. (first gen Celica in second place-just loved the rwd when i was kid)

I think Celicas fit that definition very well except for the 1-2 seater part. But the backseat is very cramped and can be easily taken out. I think they are very sporty, but definitely not muscle cars. Too many people equate sports cars and rear-wheel drive american muscle cars as being the same thing. They are however very different. If a miata is a sports car, then so is a Celica.

without 16k mustangs, camaros and firebirds. toyota would be stupid to not release a new, not a pricey. more bang for your buck engine wise celica.

these companys dont realize how much they are going to miss their small cheap selling sports cars.

look at ford, the f'ed up. how many mustangs do yo usee driving thru town. i dont know about you but i gurantee i see 50 a day. not looking for them. and for ford to just cut them out and make the new mustang with a $$ of 50k+. Thats ridiculous.

Toyota better bring the celica back. we need more cheap sports cars.

z's, rx-8s, and such are great. But they are all over 30k