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It almost certainly will be released under the Toyota marque not Scion or Lexus as that was the intention from the start. And the low HP is partly to get good numbers for emmissions and mileage figures. They are talking around 180hp, 35mpg and a $22k pricemark. 35mpg and $22k are both pretty good for a sports compact.

A low price tag for the entry model could still allow room for a convertible or GT4 version at around the $35k price mark, which I would like very much.

And as for the engine - the original deal was that Subaru would make the chassis and transmission, with Toyota providing the auxillary systems (most notably the brakes) and initial styling. The engine is a joint venture between the two companies and is a D-4S (not C-45 as reported elsewhere).

It is expected that the Subaru version of the car won't be significantly different in body panels to the Toyota version (kinda like Curren vs Celica) - expect different head and tail lights and a different hood. Part of the reason for this is to ensure that a healthy 3rd party customisations and modifications market develops for the car. The cabin design will probably be fairly different between the two versions, however.

It may be that Subaru even have a clause in the joint agreement that says that any future variants also have to use the Subaru transmission.

More on the D-4S engine:
http://paultan.org/2009/10/09/toyota-ft-86...s-boxer-engine/

This post has been edited by BloodyStupidDavey: Oct 13, 2009 - 4:14 PM

at first it looked ugly as all hell

then i saw some photoshops and there not TOO TOO bad

front...ehh dont like it..needs more work

im not a big fan of these new futuristic looking cars...but i will give credit to the back of the car...thats about the only part that looks good, along with the side views...there not to bad either

seats need to be changed, consul isnt to bad, dont like the passenger side though

all in all i give it a 3 out of 10

just my oppinion

i dont care what they do to it, as long as they bring it HERE. im going to put the emblem thats SUPPOSED to be on it....





GUESS what the emblem will say?

I believe I just soiled myself.

I am flucking SOLD on this car...crap that's sexy.

This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: Oct 13, 2009 - 8:53 PM

okay... i'm sold. love it in black. and i too am hoping this doesn't sell for cheap. i wouldn't mind paying more for a car (a REAL sports car from toyota) that has more power and is less common on the road. plus i'll be able to afford one by the time it comes out.

Dont get ahead of yourself kids. Lets wait for Japanese Auto Salon and figure out what Toyota and Subaru want to do with all of this. I have a lingering suspicion on the back of my mind that toyota will try to hybrid-ify most of their future models. They seem to be very successful with their prius program and similar type engines are not being squeezed into camry's and other models. If I am not mistaken, Tokyo thing is to last from October 24th ish to November 3rd I think. AND Subaru as recently pulled out of WRC so their racing heritage may put their version of ft-86 into similar category as some sort of cross-over vehicles with awd and enough horse power to get you buy. Never know.

Fingers crossed for the best.

More pics:

http://jalopnik.com/5381432/toyota-ft+86-n...es-mega+gallery

early test mules have been spotted at the Nurburgring:

FT-86 test mules at Nurburgring

Looks like it's still going to be some time before we see "true" production versions...

ughhh I hate it.
I much rather take the concept over that crap.
Looks way to "Subaru" now. I was expecting a good looking sports car, not a 2 door Subaru hatchback.
Hope Yota doesn't make the mistake and pick a Subaru design over their concept design.

The mule isn't what the car will look like... it's a testing vehicle usually made up of the prototype parts in a current model car.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Oct 14, 2009 - 3:54 PM

Correct. The mules for the Chevy Volts are pretty much gutted Malibus with the Volt drivetrain shoved in them. So don't expect them to look so much like the WRX with the funny front end.

Wednesday... Wednesday... It can't get here soon enough.

Tokyo Motor Show on Wednesday?

This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: Oct 19, 2009 - 10:36 PM

You better believe it. I can't wait to see more pics of this thing, plus get several more reviews from the press on it. Hopefully more information will be released, like if they have officially decided on if there will be an AWD version available, etc. I'm probably being too hopeful, but I can dream, can't I? Late 2011 is entirely too far away.

I'll be happy to have half finished building my Celica at that point, to be honest.

yes i totally agree with you and Dr Tweak. I mean its just not the same. They are doing a half assed job on the engine. was the 2jz-te head designed by yahama?? I mean didnt the gt-four beat the wrx back in the day?? yes we all know that boxer engines are great motors, but i heard from a friend of mine that has a wrx, that they are hard motors to work on....

sigh....

Some into on subaru version
http://www.7tune.com/subaru-086a-sti/

Something tells me that I am doing myself some good by purchasing an evo this upcoming year. Subaru is supposed to debut on 2011 or 2012 auto show and be available for sale sometime after that.

I have been quite busy researching evo 8,9,10 models and subaru wrx sti coupe models from 2003-2007 and for time being that seems to be the only semi affordable AWD lineup ;-( My family is supportive though. THey have pretty much condemned my celica adventures through the years but prospect of new car is music to my mom's ears. Every time they come visit me they have to rent a car cause you can't fit 4 traveling people and luggage into a coupe. So. having a 4 door sedan and slightly bigger trunk space should do just fine he he he.

What STI coupe models? All the STIs in the US are 4 doors.

^ His Celica coupe.

haha toyota is going to come out with the 160ps version and subaru will say FU here is the exact same thing except STi and kickarse...

so sad