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hey guys, i was jw is there a difference between red top and black top beams? are they all the same engine with the same specs? is there a certain gen beams thats better then another or is there even different gen beams? lol and would it bult up on a 5s 5speed tranny? im guessing yes

Redtop has VVT-i, and is actually the only BEAMS. The blacktop is just a 3S-GE. The BEAMS is the better engine.

This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: Feb 7, 2010 - 2:22 PM

oh alright, see i didnt kno that.. and vvti acts as vtec too doesnt it.. like it will kick in in high range rpms?

well wait idk if i believe that, bc i just seen a black top "BEAMS vvti" on ebay.... sooo ya lol idk

Later gen 3S-GE's got VVT-i, but I know for a fact that the only BEAMS engine is the redtop.

This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: Feb 7, 2010 - 2:30 PM

ahh got ya.. but it does bolt up to a 5s tranny right?

wrong. blacktops are dual vvti.

BEAMS 3sge are made by yamaha, comes with red, black and grey top.

blacktop has a lil more power

see i thougt there was a red and black top beams.. so blacktop has more power??

here, read through.

http://www.beams-redtop.com/index.htm

it has info on gray and blacktop as well

This post has been edited by nics: Feb 7, 2010 - 2:57 PM

nice cool, thanks bro

you're welcome

<--- ownt.

Appreciate the clarification nics.

nah. i was just trying to give right info

guys guys you got it all wrong

Celica ST202 has a 3S-GE Beams Redtop with VVT-i on the intake inlet produces 197 hp at 7,000 rpm and 152 lb ft torque at 6,000 rpm. engine produced in December of 1997.

1998+ Altezza RS200 has a 3S-GE Blacktop with Dual VVT-i on both intake and exhaust inlet. produces 207 hp at 7,600 rpm and 160 lb ft torque at 6.400 rpm.

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Feb 7, 2010 - 5:38 PM

^^huh?

let me know what did i say wrong?

This post has been edited by nics: Feb 7, 2010 - 6:42 PM

i didnt see anythin wrong with wat u said lol i learned all of that today with all the info u gave me lol

You're wrong! You've got it all wrong! NO NO NO!!!!!



Good info. In addition to what has already been said, the Graytop produced similar numbers to the regular ol' non-Beams 3S-GE (~170hp), and was available in the RAV4 and the Caldina.

and gray top comes in auto for rav4 right?

yes one is for FWD/also found in G-limited MR2's & other models (thats the redtop) one is for RWD (thats the blacktop) & wont fit FWD (there are more differences)


they are the same cast, except the blacktop has addtional drilling/ports for dual vvti. see above for specs ^^


No, the BEAMS engines are consider to be all the same gen (4th Gen 3S-GE), also depends on your setup and how you define 'better'


yes, but they came standard with a LSD which you should look into, unless you like torque steer?

to get more information visit peoples beams swap threads or the sticky threads eg 3rd gen 3S-GE & redtop 4th gen 3S-GE info thread

This post has been edited by Rusty: Feb 7, 2010 - 11:24 PM

is there a aftermarket header for the retop beams? ive searched on the internet all day and all night and cant seem to find anything.. ive seen some "3sge" motors w headers but not BEAMS..