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Yea i would agree, he is more of an icon than anything else and that he physically died years ago, but they are announcing it for other reasons. Such as "now that Osama is dead we need to send more troops to finally end this" or something to that extent.

Great, now we have conspiracy theorists who say either he was dead already or not dead at all. I promise you this, if he weren't dead you'd know by now.

What scientific evidence? The building didn't have to melt, it only had to buckle in the right places. Same with Building 7. It buckled. Jet fuel ignited fires, it didn't sustain them.

I'm not suspicious at all. I chalk that up to common sense. People can say they heard explosions, which is funny, because there were none. Eyewitness testimony is the least reliable of any. There were no seismic recordings of explosions, the buildings didn't fall straight down (they hit several buildings around them as they fell). The Marriott World Trade Center, 4 World Trade Center, 5 World Trade Center, 6 World Trade Center, and St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church was practicall demolished. Besides, demolition uses implosion, not explosion.

This is all stuff that the National Institute of Science & Tech went over. Everything else is pure conjecture.

Some light reading:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology...842?page=5#wtc7

I've spent way to much of my work day on trying to keep people from being pulled into nonsense. Those who think all this crap still are going to forever.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: May 4, 2011 - 3:18 PM

I don't doubt hes dead, I'm sure he is. I'm doubting that we tracked him down and killed him last week, and the random **** like he used his wife as a shield is just annoying propaganda.

ok so then your answer was c. none of the above. ok got it, and the bible isn't irrelevant. lets just stick to celica guys this topic is just going in circles.

Time for a little poetry:

bin Laden is dead; why isn't this thread?

bin laden died just like they said, they wont go into details to protect our governments security and special ops, if we let them know how we operate we might as well just give up. Don't get a hissy fit just because there's holes in information, the government deems what is safe and unsafe to release to the public. Other than that i can't help ya'll,

That's BULL. My uncle was in the 2nd tower and saw the first plane go into the first tower and never did he mention anything of an explosion. He was as close as it got and if that first plane had hit the 2nd tower first, he'd be gone. Your friends were obviously making up retarded bogus stories to make their side of the story sound interesting.

Some people need to get their facts straight.

First, you need to address who you're talking to. Second, did I miss a multiple choice question somewhere? And third, yes, it's completely irrelevant, and since I asked you to clarify or make a point, and you haven't, your posts are absolutely worthless.

BTW: Al Qaeda confirmed he was killed in the raid the other day.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: May 6, 2011 - 11:07 AM

like i said it all comes back to religion and the fact is that this topic is just another factor of how it backs up everything the bible has said. But anyways why did you sell your car??

Supersprint. Your hypothesis of what did or did not happen 10 years ago have physically made me turn my spider sense on and find this tread and therefore I am morally obligated to respond.

I am NOT going to tell you what happened on that day because you are heavily biased against anything that has word conspiracy in it. What I will tell you is ... lets play a little game. We shall call it "word association".

Fill in the blank:

Kentucky Fried........
Monica.......
Mercedes......
Conspiracy......

Riiiiight... do you see the pattern? We all have pre-formed associations to certain keywords and one of those keyword is word "conspiracy" . When someone mentions that word we all think 2 things. #1 some nut out there trying to disprove something and #2 someone hiding something that seems outrageous thus feeding in #1.

I do not know how you came to your 9/11 conclusion but I beg you for your own sake go out there and find credible research. And no I do not mean the kind of research that comes from NIST that came out with 9/11 commission report. I mean credible research.

Morale of this story is that I do not want you to do something you do not want to do... but if you have time and patience then by all means try to figure out why half of this planet is strongly convinced that there were major shenanigans going on.

What will happen to the story is that it will be taught in school. And when it will be taught in school it will be passed on to future generations who will not even question anything. Heck my little sisters have just began learning about 9/11 and they have already formulated opinions based on what their teacher told them and it breaks my heart that I will have to wait until they are old enough to fully understand what went on to enlighten them to all details they have not learned in school.

Currently there are scientists, engineers, teachers, pilots, civilians and governments who are convinced that official story is false. And those are not your typical fatsos living in parents basement theorizing things on the web. These are credible people who find so many plot holes that it is mind boggling. It is hard not to find plot holes unless you intentionally chose to ignore them.

^THIS X100,000,000,000

A conspiracy theory is just that: a theory. It will most likely never be proven true or false. Besides, who cares if Bin Laden dies a week ago or ten years ago? Who cares if it was from natural causes or SEAL Team 6? It's a given that Bin Laden hasn't had any authority in years. Somebody else took over for him long ago so his death is more irrelevant than this entire thread.

It matters a lot richee.

14 trillion dollars of debt came out from hunting Bin Laden. That is not a walk in the park. 14 trillion dollars should alone raise questions because you will have to pay it off for the rest of your natural life, your children will too and their children and their grand children and their grand grand children. If Osama died 10 years ago then we have spent 14 trillion for nothing. Unless you are talking about dumping 1.6 trillion dollars per year into USA army and anti terrorist activities. The kind of cash that exceeds combined GDP of most (not all) countries out there. If real Bin Laden died as a result of seal attack (which by the day sounds very implausible) then we have spent 14 trillion dollars for nothing because intelligence and a small team could have ended this thing 10 years ago.

Whether Osama is dead or not... that is not the point and if it was then Obama would have paraded his dead corpse for a year for all to see. And yet lets look at the facts.

Obama who's ratings were falling gave a green light on unreliable evidence of world's most wanted criminal being located in a so called million dollar mansion. They send out super secret helicopters (that apparently world does not know about yet) and the best of the best. One chopper goes down so they tried to blow it up. That did not work so they planned to blow it up again. In all the squabble some bearded guy died, some marine lied next to him to check out how tall he was, dna sample taken, photos taken, and Osama's corpse picked up and off they went to dump him into the sea according to muslim burial traditions.

In reality it takes a substantial amount of time to do DNA sampling. 15 days for a negative and as much as 30 days or more for a positive match. Even with supercomputers processing all dna matches it will take time. Time to get sample to a super computer, hopefully in tact and not contaminated. Kind of thing that is not available on every corner. In reality muslim tradition dictates burial on land unless person died at sea and it was impossible to bury him or her on land. Then of course a million dollar mansion turns out to look like every other thing in the background. Crumbling walls, no furniture, 3 floors of completely stripped out home that is not typical of people living there. Home was built years ago and you would think for a million dollars there would be swimming pools, plasma tvs and more. But lets leave that aside for a minute. Lets examine other things.

USA did not have to come out and say that they killed Osama. That would go against premise of continuous warfare which military contractors grew to love. But they did and Obama while humble have got his ratings back up again. USA army got a pat on the back. Relationship with Pakistan has escalated to uneasy (which could justify invasion hint hint), but more importantly there is absolutely no evidence of anything. It is quite equivalent of lets pick a country on a map... ohh I dont know Norway,,, announcing to the world they killed bin laden and dumped him into the sea and they are not sharing the evidence. To THAT entire globe would have said... yeah riiiiiight... and USA doing the same thing is raising nothing but eye brows. Even media contradicts itself as they are trying to rubber sheet stretch official story into believable news worthy thing. And things are just not making sense. Guards that were unarmed. Chickens running about million dollar compound, empty home, bare walls, dirty floors, journalists contradicting each other, seals contradicting each other etc.

What has happened will not stop lines at the airport or frisk searches and pat downs, the x ray machines and the wands and it will not stop the war and it will certainly be one of those... yeah yeah lets move on kind of things.

If Osama is still alive then he has no reason to reveal it. In death he can become a godfather figure, appoint some new terror guy and go off the radar.

He's back, ladies and gentlemen. A round of applause for our favorite Russian.

THANK YOU yarik! i wasnt trying to doubt the military action.... but now that you mention it... HELL YEAH!!!! WTF?!?

You also further proved my point about the deficit we're in. OVER ONE MAN. I swear... its almost like he was just an excuse to go over there to cover up the REAL reason u.s has an interest in the afghan area.

dont pay attention to the T.V. news. its an obvious attempt to get the people of U.S. to think inside the boxes that we like to cram things in. super conservative middle of the road and super liberal... INSERT THE 3 NEWS CHANNELS HERE.

Its a shame that things have gotten this bad. we used to be a nation of thinkers, meaning we naturally question things that look off, and not be afraid to hold people accountable for their shenanigans. they give us a little scrap of flimsy evidence and expect people to belive it. what a slap in the face. its as if theyre saying: "here take this quick video clip and shut up".

Well financially speaking it is hard not to have financial interests in middle east.

That entire zone albeit fragmented and in conflict for many years is filled with rich deposits of just about everything that is precious. Gas, Oil, precious minerals. Afganistan alone has huge deposits of in demand lithium and gold. Of course it is harder to pitch non humanitarian interests to public but middle east to the world is nothing more than a giant precious great tasting natural resource pie dressed up in humanitarian white lab coat.

Gold?!? Really?! I knew about the lithium but not gold.... Hmmmmmm the plot thickens...

Credible research? You mean the grueling research done by NIST isn't credible because its disproves everything that conspiracy theorists say? Gimme a break.

I know well and good the government isn't up front about things. But thing is, I HAVE looked into this, and that's my conclusion about it. I had these conspiracy thoughts in my head already, it's been 10 years. To tell me to go do research in "credible" resources is absurd. You have no idea what research I've done, which you've said. It appears you think credible is anybody who agrees with you, that's bullsh!t. I understand people think otherwise, that's fine. They don't have to agree, but all of the "evidence" they've brought forth, has been refuted by other "credible" scientists. So basically it's a standoff, which ends in this unknowing, which leads to people crying conspiracy.

So what then, how do you come to a conclusion. Well I use something called logic. By that I mean, Are you fvcking serious that you think a few top people decided to orchestrate a plan that involves terrorists hijacking 4 planes and running them into 3 buildings (meant for 4) and secretly planted powerful, yet oddly silent, explosives in 2 buildings? Seriously?

It's almost as ludicrous as believing some cosmic being controls how you and every other creature lives... oh wait.

BTW: I'll beat you to the punch on this one: we indeed landed on the moon.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: May 9, 2011 - 8:57 AM

*sigh* I like ya super, and have a great deal of respect for you and what youve contributed to the forum, and all the times youve helped me! we can agree to disagree, but please, out of respect, be careful about insulting people's beliefs... ive seen people become humbled saying stuff like that...




but um... did anybody see the clips of bin laden chillin in the chair flipping through channels? im sorry but that tickled me for some reason. he looked like somebody's grandpa with that beanie on pointing at the tv



and then i found out about the "herbal" viagra....



i swear to you...i spit my drink out when my friend said "WELL!!! what do u expect?!?! the fcuker has 4 wives and was preparing for his 72 virgins!"