6G Celicas Forums

Lol I'll probably somehow end up with spare motors sitting around before all is said and done. I still need to get you a set of doors before I get ready to start swapping. That's the most expensive thing I have left to buy. I definitely bought the Redtop last night and I'm going to start looking for ways to make the Greytop work and if I figure something out, it's going in the girlfriend's car.


We both know that if one of us is going to be wrong, it's going to be me. You've already done more swaps than I can dream of, and my knowledge is based on things I've read on the internet. Things that have turned out to be wrong so far. I could probably link you to 5 or 6 quotes from the BEAMS Owners forum where they all claim that the Greytop swap is identical to the Redtop swap, yet I can stand here right now and tell you for a fact that it isn't. My Greytop is from a Caldina, and as far as I know, they were all auto like the Rav4. I made the mistake of believing posts on the BEAMS Owners Forum that claim the Greytop and Redtop swaps are identical when nobody had actually tried. However, I found a thread where one guy took both the Redtop and Greytop ECU and tested them and found that the difference is just the auto vs. manual transmission. I don't know if I can believe that, but several members over there are running the Greytop ECU in place of the Redtop without issue.

My current plan is to swap the Redtop into my Celica using my Greytop ECU and my S54 then I'm going to buy the rest of the bits and pieces I need for the Greytop swap (flywheel, Redtop wiring harness, etc.) and swap it into the girlfriend's Celica. At least I know for a fact that the Redtop swap will work.

So you picked the Beams over the 3s ? I didnt see that coming lol, as many times as we've talking I figured you would just go 3rd gen in the long run. DEF wasnt expecting to see you go double beams Im sure nobody did. I figured Norberto would be the double beams guy lol.

Twin BEAMS.

NOW WE ARE TALKING, AND YOU HAVE A SPARE BEAMS!

You can never have too many Beams.

^This

how many beams does it take to make richee's car move?

I got a little package in the mail today.



Yeah, that's a rear strut bar from an ST202. Thanks, malecrod! There's only one problem with this strut bar. I'll let you guys figure out what it is. To those who I already told, no spoilers! It'll be good for a laugh.

Anyway, on to more important BEAMS-related goodness. The Redtop is almost ready to swap in. Since my Redtop had an auto tranny, I had to buy a flywheel. Turns out OEM flywheels for a BEAMS are pretty hard to find on Ebay, so I had to buy a lightweight flywheel. Darn the bad luck... I bought it from Japan and it was scheduled to be here around June 15th, which was keeping me from making any progress at all with this swap. Today I got an email saying my order has been shipped. I checked it out and my flywheel left Chicago yesterday. So I'll be ready to start making progress tomorrow or Wednesday. I'll get the flywheel, clutch, and transmission all put together and ready to go. Then I just need to get the wiring done. I'll get some hoses ordered and then Chris and Stacy (bloodMoney) will be coming down soon to help with the swap. This thing will be running in the next month, with any luck.

As for the Greytop, I've been talking to mr220v and he will do the wiring harness for a very reasonable price. As soon as my Redtop is in my bay and running, I'm sending the Greytop harness out to him and I will start ordering parts to get that going. His harness will be plug and play, then that motor will be receiving a lightweight flywheel and same clutch setup as my Redtop. I'm hoping to have that swap done in the girlfriend's Celica before the end of Summer.

Random little tidbit of information- a 5S clutch kit will work with a BEAMS flywheel but it isn't recommended since the 3S pressure plate has more clamping force. I've never read that anywhere on 6gc. I've always heard that a 3S flywheel, 5S disc, 3S pressure plate, and 5S throwout bearing would be the best setup, but now I've learned that a stage 1 5S clutch kit will work. Nonetheless, since I can get the parts, I will be going with the OEM BEAMS disc, ST185 pressure plate, and 5S throwout bearing. Since the BEAMS swap isn't documented very well in one place and I've had to go back and forth between Noberto's swap thread, erahman's thread, and turnip's thread, I'm going to do my best to fully document the swap. I'm going to try to provide a full list of part numbers, provide the information and pictures of which wires to repin and which ones to extend, etc.

Best of luck, pal.

I will expect you to now figure out the exact differences between the red and grey top...Good luck

same clutch set up in my beams swap

You were my inspiration for that one

niceee bro, im almost done with my relocation. i just need more time to work on it

a little vacuum would be in order!!!

Question. My BEAMS came with an automatic, and my Celica is a manual. I know for a manual BEAMS harness, I have to repin the clutch start wire. Since my BEAMS harness doesn't have that, what do I need to do? Leave that alone and hope that nobody tries to start my car without pushing the clutch in or is there something else I need to repin instead? I know there's a black wire and a black and yellow wire on one of the plugs that I need to splice together for the car to start, but I'm not sure if I splice them together on the plug side or on the wiring harness side. Hopefully that makes sense.

This post has been edited by richee3: Jun 4, 2011 - 1:42 PM

there might be a start wire, even though its auto, some autos wont start unless u depress the brake pedal. so there might still be a wire..

not sure tough.. look at the harness, look for that wire, see if its there and re pin it...

According to the auto to manual swap thread, there is a plug with two wires I need to splice. But that is for a USDM model. In the pictures that Turnip sent me, it looks like he spliced those two wires together but the picture is a little ambiguous about the splices. Same wires as the tranny swap thread though. I'm just not sure if there are other connections to make or not.