Want to put a cage in my car. |
Want to put a cage in my car. |
Nov 20, 2011 - 10:49 AM |
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 18, '09 From Orlando Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
it's not really going all out if you just leave the 7afe in there, even if you turbo it. Yeah see, but strip it as planned...ditch the cage idea, to save weight...and turbo. Your power-to-weight ratio will be miles better than factory. Stock ST: 23.8 pounds per horsepower (figuring 2500 fully loaded pounds in my case). 7A-FTE: Let's say 180bhp, 153whp, and let us put the car at 2300 lbs, fully loaded again. 12.77, meaning with a bit o' forced induction and some aural discomfort, you'll literally have twice the Cerica. This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: Nov 20, 2011 - 10:50 AM -------------------- '97 ST \ Eibach \ KYB \ Kenwood \ Alpine \ Cusco \ OEM+ [sold 10/18]
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Nov 21, 2011 - 9:46 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 9, '11 From Trenton, MO Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I respect your reasoning for the cage. It's your car, you are aware of the work involved, and the fact that in the long run, it won't be as useful as a cage in Ken Block's car. What I don't understand is that you want to build a BA car, yet leave the 7A, and 120 hp is perfectly fine? Each of those things is contradictory. But again, I fully respect your reasoning. It's your car and we as a group would much rather see it with a cage than another Invader body kit. I say if you want a cage, build yourself a cage and the motor to back it up. See, I wasn't aware the 7A-FE wouldn't produce a lot of horsepower. I was going to leave it for its light weight, but I thought with the right parts, engine balancing, etc that it would gain more than just 10 hp from stock. I'm sure you could get quite a bit of hp out of it...it would just take a lot of money I'm sure. I'll have to think that through a little more. Is the 3S-GTE the absolute best option otherwise? it's not really going all out if you just leave the 7afe in there, even if you turbo it. Yeah see, but strip it as planned...ditch the cage idea, to save weight...and turbo. Your power-to-weight ratio will be miles better than factory. Stock ST: 23.8 pounds per horsepower (figuring 2500 fully loaded pounds in my case). 7A-FTE: Let's say 180bhp, 153whp, and let us put the car at 2300 lbs, fully loaded again. 12.77, meaning with a bit o' forced induction and some aural discomfort, you'll literally have twice the Cerica. Also, if you balance it out well (battery relocation, maybe placement of a/the fuel cell), it will handle better still. |
Nov 21, 2011 - 9:57 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 9, '11 From Trenton, MO Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Guys, I'm 18 years old. However I've had a lot of experience with machinery. My job for three years (on and off) has been repair and maintenance on medical air systems. Vacuum pumps and air compressors. I can run multiple hand and power tools, pneumatics, lathes, and I've had some experience on milling machines.
My father used to work for a guy who raced sprint cars in the 80's and 90's. From the things that he's told me, I have a basic knowledge of frame and cage building, as well as race car setup. While that may seem somewhat irrelevant, what I mean by this passage is that I'm a project kind of guy. I'm a person who will accept any challenge. I want my Celica to be my project. |
Nov 21, 2011 - 10:07 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 19, '11 From Paraguay, Winchestertonfieldville Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
I'll have to think that through a little more. Is the 3S-GTE the absolute best option otherwise? 3SGTE swap = Celica Missile -------------------- |
Nov 21, 2011 - 10:12 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 9, '11 From Trenton, MO Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
How much horsepower can one obtain?
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Nov 21, 2011 - 10:18 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 22, '07 From Houston, TX Currently Offline Reputation: 4 (100%) |
3sgte + celica = unlimited HP.
u mad? -------------------- QUOTE "And, as always, your friendship, help, and dedication to the advancement of Texas Celica dominance is GREATLY appreciated. Thanks bro." -DEATH 1994 GT: V6 swap, 5speed E53 W/ LSD, All Power, now RED 1995 ST: SOLD @273k miles, Auto, all power, CarPC, White 1994 ST: Totaled, 5spd, all power, Red RIP 07/09/09 @ 241,810 1994 Lexus LS400: This is my new DD |
Nov 21, 2011 - 10:35 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 9, '11 From Trenton, MO Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Ha, no, why would I be mad?
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Nov 21, 2011 - 10:55 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 2, '07 From Berlin, WI Currently Offline Reputation: 18 (100%) |
trust us. 7afe turboed will give 180 HP at most
3sgte is already more than that stock and can double/triple/quadruple if not, go read up on the stickies in the engine forum, there's a few other options to swap out for the 7afe such as 4age, 4agze, or 7agte. Read read read -------------------- *1997 Celica ST - 3SGE Greytop BEAMS *1977 Celica RA29 - Classic Cruiser *2005 Matrix AWD - dedded but still hanging around like a ghost 2019 Rav4 XLE Premium - Sports mode is fun. |
Nov 22, 2011 - 12:14 AM |
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 15, '10 From The Best Coast Currently Offline Reputation: 12 (100%) |
I just want to make a badass car. I have quite awhile to think about it until I get another car. 7afe and badass car don't go hand in hand... You want to make your car look really fast without actually being anywhere close to it, your like most other 18 year olds...I did it This post has been edited by SupraKid: Nov 22, 2011 - 12:15 AM |
Nov 22, 2011 - 12:34 AM |
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 18, '09 From Orlando Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
To me, a 7A-FTE build seems to be worth it only if parts happen to come cheap, yet sturdy, and the builder makes sure, properly makes sure, that the engine is prepared to handle a few pounds of boost. That's a tough combination, but I see where you're coming from. The setup greatly intrigues me as well.
This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: Nov 22, 2011 - 12:35 AM -------------------- '97 ST \ Eibach \ KYB \ Kenwood \ Alpine \ Cusco \ OEM+ [sold 10/18]
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Nov 22, 2011 - 1:31 AM |
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 9, '11 From Trenton, MO Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
trust us. 7afe turboed will give 180 HP at most 3sgte is already more than that stock and can double/triple/quadruple if not, go read up on the stickies in the engine forum, there's a few other options to swap out for the 7afe such as 4age, 4agze, or 7agte. Read read read Will do. Not gonna pour money into my car until I figure out what is best and most efficient. I'm not talking fuel efficiency......but power to weight and COG. |
Nov 22, 2011 - 1:37 AM |
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 9, '11 From Trenton, MO Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I just want to make a badass car. I have quite awhile to think about it until I get another car. 7afe and badass car don't go hand in hand... You want to make your car look really fast without actually being anywhere close to it, your like most other 18 year olds...I did it Yeah I try not to be like all those other kids...making cardboard body kits and getting plastic WalMart spinner hubcaps for their '89 Civic that's been in an accident or two. Unattractive cars FTL... But I didn't know the 7A-FE wasn't the best option for badassness. |
Nov 22, 2011 - 4:00 AM |
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 19, '11 From Paraguay, Winchestertonfieldville Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
3sgte swap at stock in the least gives you at least 230-250 horsepower...at the least!, turn it to 17 pounds like dustin (batman722 i believe check his thread) and you got easily around 330hp... STOCK!
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Nov 22, 2011 - 8:12 AM |
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 27, '10 From pittsburgh Currently Offline Reputation: 4 (100%) |
3sgte swap at stock in the least gives you at least 230-250 horsepower...at the least!, turn it to 17 pounds like dustin (batman722 i believe check his thread) and you got easily around 330hp... STOCK! 17lbs with a 3sgte in a ST celica is pretty damn far from stock. -------------------- -93 Rx7, Turbo 6.1L v8, 725rwhp/760rwtq
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Nov 22, 2011 - 9:09 AM |
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 22, '07 From Houston, TX Currently Offline Reputation: 4 (100%) |
3sgte swap at stock in the least gives you at least 230-250 horsepower...at the least!, turn it to 17 pounds like dustin (batman722 i believe check his thread) and you got easily around 330hp...with STOCK 3sgte parts! 17lbs with a 3sgte in a ST celica is pretty damn far from stock. fixed This post has been edited by stephen_lee: Nov 22, 2011 - 9:09 AM -------------------- QUOTE "And, as always, your friendship, help, and dedication to the advancement of Texas Celica dominance is GREATLY appreciated. Thanks bro." -DEATH 1994 GT: V6 swap, 5speed E53 W/ LSD, All Power, now RED 1995 ST: SOLD @273k miles, Auto, all power, CarPC, White 1994 ST: Totaled, 5spd, all power, Red RIP 07/09/09 @ 241,810 1994 Lexus LS400: This is my new DD |
Nov 22, 2011 - 10:34 AM |
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Enthusiast Joined May 22, '03 From NOVA Currently Offline Reputation: 16 (100%) |
Im going to go with the basic rule.....if you have a cage in your car you need to be wearing a helmet. If not and you wreck youre likely to split your head open on a bar.
Do some research read the stickies....you has much to learn. |
Nov 22, 2011 - 4:18 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 31, '02 From Philadelphia, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
Guys, I'm 18 years old. So now get to work and we expect to see some progress pictures starting this weekend. -------------------- 15PSI - 30MPG - Megasquirt Tuned
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Nov 22, 2011 - 10:51 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 9, '11 From Trenton, MO Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
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Nov 23, 2011 - 8:00 PM |
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Moderator Joined Jun 29, '08 From Denver Currently Offline Reputation: 59 (100%) |
See, I wasn't aware the 7A-FE wouldn't produce a lot of horsepower. See, that's an important bit of information that was missing from this thread earlier. A cage in a 3S-GTE powered Celica starts to make a lot more sense than a cage in a 7A powered Celica. But as I said before, regardless of what engine you have in the car, I respect your reason for wanting a cage. It's your car, do what you want with it. Do what makes you happy, not what's going to make some guys on the internet that will never even see your car happy. -------------------- "Employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings, so that you shall gain easily what others labored hard for." -Socrates. Even Socrates told us to use the search button!
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Nov 23, 2011 - 8:51 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 9, '11 From Trenton, MO Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
See, I wasn't aware the 7A-FE wouldn't produce a lot of horsepower. See, that's an important bit of information that was missing from this thread earlier. A cage in a 3S-GTE powered Celica starts to make a lot more sense than a cage in a 7A powered Celica. But as I said before, regardless of what engine you have in the car, I respect your reason for wanting a cage. It's your car, do what you want with it. Do what makes you happy, not what's going to make some guys on the internet that will never even see your car happy. I probably will switch to the BEAMS then. Makes more sence. Are they pretty easy to find? |
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