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but people will compare this thing to the s2000 as I've said before.

On one hand i like the new models looks, apart from the spoiler and rear lights.....there trash. But the biggest let down is the power/performance expected from the engine. One fatel mistake toyota made with the 7th gen was the lack of a turbo charged 4wd version to challenge it's younger siblings, the ST205, ST185, both on the streets and the WRC scene . And again it looks like this new version is following suit.

I expected that with a subaru powerplant at the heart of this model, to see power and performance on the same level of at least a ( UK version ) turbo 2000 impreza, but in reality more like the WRX impreza or possibly a supercharged model made available. Toyota are leaping forward in design stakes, but lacking lustre in the performance area and i feel the 86 will go in the same direction as the 7th gen, they look good ( GT version at least ) but if you want a performance car with classic design looks you will be searching for and buying the ST205.

Unless you have thousands of £'s /$'s spare to replace/modify the engine and give it that one final piece it so desperatley needs, " performance ". It will just be known as an entry level sports car for those people wanting sports car looks with the fuel economy and performance of of a ride on lawn mower. Will it have the same following as the Gen 5 & 6 Celica's in 15-20 years time............probably not, which is a big shame really as i for one expected more from the Toyota & Subaru collaboration.

It is official now... "Toyota 86" no celica, no supra... just "86" (European version called "GT86" ). N/A 200HP engine with price $42k (!!!). That car will have the same power as 13years old SS-III... that is unbelievable... Sad to say but this is desperate... You want 200HP RWD? Buy RX-8 and you pay half for it. I wanted to see competition for 370Z. Not this. I do not talke about design but what they made after all is slow overpriced car .

I'm still excited for this. Make the bitch light enough and 200 HP will work...and if not...then I'm sure tuners will find other methods.

You guys need to realize its not an out right speed car. Horsepower does not determine the greatness of a car.
You look at it like its supposed to be a drag queen and need to realize she's a turning monster. And the supra only had 320hp from the factory. 200 is more than you think.

Near perfect weight distribution, the best center of gravity possible and which rivals supercars.
All with enough cargo space for gear and 4 wheels/tires.

This car should do really well against, s2k, genesis coupe, and the like. maybe even 350/370.

It doesn't take HP to go fast when the goal is a drivers car for the turns.
90% of you can't even handle your 90hpcar ecoboxes
Save your bitching till the car is actually out and being driven.

This post has been edited by playr158: Nov 28, 2011 - 12:34 PM

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This post has been edited by njccmd2002: Nov 29, 2011 - 4:57 PM

Ill quote my own comment because apperantly nobody read it. It HAS been driven and it IS what people expected...those people who wee expecting a new ae86...

Was the ae86 "fast" NO! It was fun... Not all about speed, and if it is about speed for you, there is boatloads of aftermarket support for these, not long until people are building them to 500+hp

And njccmd, when was the last time that $42k in europe meant $42k in america...lol it will still be $25-$30k...

Chill your jets guys...this car IS what people were expecting...its not the next supra... Its the next freaking rwd corolla!!

£30,000 UK.

Stupid price.



http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpr...6_revealed.html





I'm amazed at how ugly they managed to make a decent concept look

Looks like a Hyundai Coupe

lmao! +1

Have you guys ever even driven an AE86 GTS? They're about as fast as my 5sfe Celica...Yet, they have one of the biggest cult followings in the world!

I know TONS of people that would pay $30k for an AE86 GTS (FT86) with 0 miles, warranty, brand new interior, updated body, 5 lug, more power, wider wheels, newer technology, etc, etc, etc. The list goes on, instead of $4k for an old 1985 corolla GTS thats seen better days..

Anyone who thought Toyota was making a car rivaling 370Z or M3 like performance for more than half the price needs to share whatever you guys are smoking, because I'm trying to get on that level!!! Hahaha!

Basically, anyone who likes and actually KNOWS AE86's will like this car, no question about it...

An ae86 gts did 0-60 in 10 seconds lol! Not great but handling was awesome. Many people were comparing this car to the likes of the miata. This car's strongest point is supposed to be its handling, NOT horsepower. 200hp is good enough for me, for now anyways. Oh well, sounds like this car was worth the wait. Ill be in line for one soon

N-ring times

FR-S: 10:26.384
M3 (E92): 8:05
350Z: 8:26
S2000: 8:39


Cars that finished in the same range of the FR-S:

Ford Transit Van.... I wish it were a joke. 10:08. Almost 30 seconds FASTER than the FR-S. I hope they make another pass as the ring to bring that time to something more respectable.

so...its ugly AND slow?

I believe the FR-S time was recorded during a shakedown run while still in development and doesn't actually count as an official time because it isn't yet a "production car".


So no, not necessarily... just posting info for digestion.

good points guys. hehe I was thinking to myself... how about if lexus made the is350 an all out bare sports cars. Making it really stockish like a 2000 Honda S2000 with nothing else but abs, power windows and power door locks. No gps or any of the electronics. then just rebrand it as a toyota haha.I think IS350 in stick-shift form would really be great, along with no leather seats or sunroof. it would be competition for the G37/370 I think.

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Nov 28, 2011 - 3:19 PM

Though... MUCH of the N-ring is high speed corners/straights, especially the 1.33 mile-long back straight. Obviously, the FT-86/GT-86/FR-S was not built for straight out speed, so this isn't an accurate description of its performance.

If lap times for a shorter, less high-speed circuit were provided, say Tsukuba, then we'd have a much more accurate description of this car's handling potential.

I dont know about you guys but I stand firmly by my words. In ever which way this vehicle is less appealing to me as a consumer then even a scion. Now most of my problem dwells on the fact that FT-86 is an ugly car AND it has no cahones.

By comparison EVO is ugly but has major cahones. Evo, of course costs a pretty penny but get this: 2008 evo gsr will cost about $25,000 AND it will have 30K miles on it. It will be faster, will handle better, accelerate faster, have marginally more space for passengers, will have a high resale value, has epic car fan following, strong car club support and even my mom likes it (And she never likes anything I have ever set my eyes on).

By comparison 370z will be faster, will accelerate faster, will handle better, will look very stylish, will have a decent resale value, will have the "he does not work in burger king" feel.

I just do not get toyota... not at all. They want to come up with a slow ugly looking thing and sell it in the price range that make it impractical to buy.

More importantly I do not get people on these boards. Most of you will not buy this car and those that will, for the most part, will have parental help to buy it. At that moment I must ask you to think about what you are about to do... invest $27,000 ish into a vehicle that will cost more than better alternatives out there while providing less value for the buck.

I know its sacrilegious but i found something from the BRZ that makes me really excited.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes...pe_first_drive/

down at the bottom

I'd love if they could stretch it out and put another set of doors in there. I need some room for car seats.

But to all of the people who think that this is a complete disappointment. Keep in mind that this is also the size of a Miata.

I can't speak for the rest of the guys but I can speak to my situation: I love my 6g and would stick with it forever if I could but the car is old and could use a replacement. Now, I want a car that's the same size as the gen 6 (or smaller), that can possibly seat 4 if necessary, and doesn't cost an arm and a leg - there are damn few cars out there that do that AND aren't FWD.

I want the 86 because it meets my criteria and it should be affordable with the added bonus that it's a slightly heavier BEAMS Celica in a newer shell that's warrantied - that's worth at least the 24k my GT cost off the lot. If ten years down the road this car has a core group of enthusiasts like 6gc, with people as smart as Manny or Dustin or any of the other guys here, then it will be one hot little car because it has potential. If not, the car will be paid off and traded for something else later.

For now, it's my next car.

In Soviet Russia, man put cart in front of horse.

This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: Nov 28, 2011 - 5:44 PM