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 Dec 13, 2011 - 12:06 PM
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QUOTE (95CelicaST @ Dec 12, 2011 - 3:05 PM)  I have never seen a 1MZ that was anywhere near 1600 - 2000. I got mine with 90k confirmed miles with all accessories for $750. If you're buying one of the newer 1MZ's (97+) then maybe, but it's a newer motor, it's lighter, and ultimately more delicate than the 3VZ. If your build plans involve turbo, then 3VZ is your best bet. If you're going to stay n/a or a TRD S/C then 1MZ - specifically the 97+ because it becomes PnP. have MR220V do up a harness, mate it to a S54 to retain axles, have a passenger mount fabricated, bolt in, plug in, and away you go. The newer version of the 1MZ have ~190whp. They go up to just under 250 with the factory s/c and no other supporting modifications. Add in headers (a major bottleneck on the 1MZ), intake, exhaust, Walbro or Supra fuel pump, and potentially a standalone EMS down the road and you've got yourself set for a reliable low maintenance powerhouse. Of course it's always better when it's not FWD...  You're right. I swear when I looked last there was only three in the $1600 range but now there are 18 from $450 to $1000. I must have been searching for the engine using a different car like the lexus. 3VZ would deffinatly be best for the turbo. I haven't heard any good things about the supercharger for the 1mz even though it was a genuine TRD. I plan on staying NA so the lightness and newness of the 3MZ appeals to me. What have you heard obout the oil gelling issue with the 1MZ? That's the only thing holding me back from that engine. Sorry for the thread jack but I think more discussion about the V6 swap is a good thing. Another note about the trany. The 3VZ/E53 combo was in larger and heavier cars. I'm no engineer but using the S54 in the Celica should do ok for a while. |
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Dec 13, 2011 - 1:01 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 23, '11 From kenton ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 14 (100%) |
I just missed out on a 3vz for 600
but it all works out a local scrap yard is trying to dig me one up for 400 with the harness an ecu so im waiting for them to call me back and I just picked up some desent tires for the celica since mine are little bald an next is a engine puller -------------------- 95 gt coupe, v6 swap weekend toy
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Dec 13, 2011 - 2:38 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 21, '05 From Tacoma, WA Currently Offline Reputation: 7 (100%) |
It's better to know someone with an engine hoist than to actually own one. They take up a lot of space in the shop.
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Dec 13, 2011 - 3:47 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 23, '11 From kenton ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 14 (100%) |
id rather have my own cuz this is one if 3 getting a new motor
so ill ne using it alot -------------------- 95 gt coupe, v6 swap weekend toy
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Dec 13, 2011 - 5:47 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 23, '11 From kenton ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 14 (100%) |
ok is there any difference between a 4runner 3vz an a camry 3vz
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Dec 13, 2011 - 5:48 PM
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QUOTE (RocketScott @ Dec 13, 2011 - 11:06 AM) Another note about the trany. The 3VZ/E53 combo was in larger and heavier cars. I'm no engineer but using the S54 in the Celica should do ok for a while. Again, in the same car as the 3vz/e53, toyota used a 5s/s54 combo. (92 camry) It'll work, but the engineers did it for a reason... Just no dropping the clutch and I think you'll be ok 
-------------------- QUOTE "And, as always, your friendship, help, and dedication to the advancement of Texas Celica dominance is GREATLY appreciated. Thanks bro." -DEATH 1994 GT: V6 swap, 5speed E53 W/ LSD, All Power, now RED 1995 ST: SOLD @273k miles, Auto, all power, CarPC, White 1994 ST: Totaled, 5spd, all power, Red RIP 07/09/09 @ 241,810 1994 Lexus LS400: This is my new DD |
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Dec 13, 2011 - 5:59 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 23, '11 From kenton ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 14 (100%) |
I hope so lol im normally easy on my car from a day to day driving but I can be a little on the abusive side at the drag strip
but is there any difference between the 3zv in a 4runner than the one in camry kinda need to kno cuz I've found couple but didn't know if there's just a power difference or a taller intake that makes it so it wont fit lol -------------------- 95 gt coupe, v6 swap weekend toy
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Dec 13, 2011 - 6:17 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 22, '07 From Houston, TX Currently Offline Reputation: 4 (100%) |
QUOTE (kurt95gt @ Dec 13, 2011 - 4:59 PM) I hope so lol im normally easy on my car from a day to day driving but I can be a little on the abusive side at the drag strip but is there any difference between the 3zv in a 4runner than the one in camry kinda need to kno cuz I've found couple but didn't know if there's just a power difference or a taller intake that makes it so it wont fit lol BIG difference thats the 3vze. single cam, 2 valves per cyl 150hp heag gasket issue. setup for rwd -------------------- QUOTE "And, as always, your friendship, help, and dedication to the advancement of Texas Celica dominance is GREATLY appreciated. Thanks bro." -DEATH 1994 GT: V6 swap, 5speed E53 W/ LSD, All Power, now RED 1995 ST: SOLD @273k miles, Auto, all power, CarPC, White 1994 ST: Totaled, 5spd, all power, Red RIP 07/09/09 @ 241,810 1994 Lexus LS400: This is my new DD |
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Dec 13, 2011 - 6:37 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 23, '11 From kenton ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 14 (100%) |
ok scratch that idea
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Dec 13, 2011 - 7:48 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Feb 5, '05 From pineapple under the sea Currently Offline Reputation: 9 (100%) |
QUOTE (RocketScott @ Dec 13, 2011 - 9:06 AM) QUOTE (95CelicaST @ Dec 12, 2011 - 3:05 PM) I have never seen a 1MZ that was anywhere near 1600 - 2000. I got mine with 90k confirmed miles with all accessories for $750. If you're buying one of the newer 1MZ's (97+) then maybe, but it's a newer motor, it's lighter, and ultimately more delicate than the 3VZ. If your build plans involve turbo, then 3VZ is your best bet. If you're going to stay n/a or a TRD S/C then 1MZ - specifically the 97+ because it becomes PnP. have MR220V do up a harness, mate it to a S54 to retain axles, have a passenger mount fabricated, bolt in, plug in, and away you go. The newer version of the 1MZ have ~190whp. They go up to just under 250 with the factory s/c and no other supporting modifications. Add in headers (a major bottleneck on the 1MZ), intake, exhaust, Walbro or Supra fuel pump, and potentially a standalone EMS down the road and you've got yourself set for a reliable low maintenance powerhouse. Of course it's always better when it's not FWD... You're right. I swear when I looked last there was only three in the $1600 range but now there are 18 from $450 to $1000. I must have been searching for the engine using a different car like the lexus. 3VZ would deffinatly be best for the turbo. I haven't heard any good things about the supercharger for the 1mz even though it was a genuine TRD. I plan on staying NA so the lightness and newness of the 3MZ appeals to me. What have you heard obout the oil gelling issue with the 1MZ? That's the only thing holding me back from that engine. Sorry for the thread jack but I think more discussion about the V6 swap is a good thing. Another note about the trany. The 3VZ/E53 combo was in larger and heavier cars. I'm no engineer but using the S54 in the Celica should do ok for a while. My 1MZ was from a Lexus... typically attributed with the higher price tag. You just need to know where to look. There is a Toyota junkyard near my place and I am friends with the owner's son... so if I need things that is where I go. When I tore mine down there wasn't any sludge in it. Keep up on oil changes and you'll never have the problem. The TRD supercharger is good for small power gains. For anything else you would want to get a custom Eaton M90. -------------------- 1991 MR2 - T-tops - Crimson Red - Gen3 3SGTE - Lots of money
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Dec 13, 2011 - 8:45 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 23, '11 From kenton ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 14 (100%) |
ok could some list what models some of these other options come in cuz the main junk yard around is basically 400 for whatever engine you want
so depending on availablity I might look into a mz motor -------------------- 95 gt coupe, v6 swap weekend toy
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Dec 13, 2011 - 9:20 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 21, '05 From Tacoma, WA Currently Offline Reputation: 7 (100%) |
I just got my 5S back in the car tonight. The passenger side motor mount had sheared off at the block. Had to pull the motor to fix it along with a bunch of other stuff that broke as a result. Long story short, I'm not itching to pull the motor again and do a swap but I know the motors days are numbered and I should start getting things together.
Here's what I have gathered thus far: From Wikipedia: The Toyota MZ engine family is a V6 piston engine series. The MZ series has an aluminum engine block and aluminum alloy DOHC cylinder heads. The cylinders are lined with cast iron, and are of a closed deck design (no open space between the bores). The engine is a 60 degree V6 design. It uses multiport fuel injection (MFI), four valves per cylinder, a one-piece cast camshaft and a cast aluminum intake manifold. The MZ family is a lightweight V6 engine of an all-aluminum design, using lighter weight parts than the heavier duty VZ block engines in an effort to lower production costs, decrease engine weight, and decrease reciprocating weight without sacrificing reliability. Toyota sought to enhance the drivability pattern of the engine (over the 3VZ) at exactly 3000 rpm, since that was the typical engine speed for motors cruising on the highway. The result was less cylinder distortion coupled with the decreased weight of rotating assemblies, smoother operation at that engine speed, and increased engine efficiency. They feature cast aluminum pistons with an anti-friction resin coating (moly) and valve depressions that decrease the chance of valve-to-piston interference in case of timing belt failure on motors without VVT-i. They also use steel rings, smaller-diameter shot-peened rods, and a forged steel crankshaft. This engine has been phased out in most markets, replaced by variants of the new GR series. 1MZ-FE The 1MZ-FE is a 3.0 L (2994 cc) engine. Bore is 87.5 mm and stroke is 83 mm. Output is 168–190 hp @ 5200–5400 rpm with 183–193 lb·ft of torque at 4400 rpm. Horsepower ratings dropped after the Society of Automotive Engineers implemented a new power measurement system for vehicle engines, Toyota engines rated on 87 octane dropped the most, compared to the same engines used by Lexus rated on 91 octane. It has bucket tappets and was designed for good fuel economy without an overall performance trade-off. The 1MZ-FE was on Ward's 10 Best Engines list for 1996. Applications: · 1994–2003 Toyota Camry (V6) · 1994–2003 Lexus ES 300 & Toyota Windom (Japanese domestic market) · 1995–2004 Toyota Avalon & 2000 Toyota Pronard (Avalon for Japanese domestic market) · 1997–2003 Lexus RX 300 · Toyota Harrier (non-US markets) · 1998–2000 Toyota Sienna · 1999–2003 Toyota Solara (V6) · 2000– Toyota Estima (Japanese domestic market) Toyota Racing Development offered a bolt-on TRD supercharger kit for the 1997–2000 Camry, 1998–2000 Sienna and 1999–2000 Solara. Power output was bumped to 242 hp and 242 ft·lbf of torque. The 1MZ-FE with VVT-i is used in the Avalon, Highlander, Sienna and Camry. Output is 210 hp (156 kW) at 5800 rpm with 222 ft·lbf (328 N·m) of torque at 4400 rpm. Early versions of the VVT-i 1MZ used a dual throttle body, cast aluminum intake manifold, and EGR block off plates on the exhaust manifolds. Later versions used an ABS plastic intake manifold to further weight reduction and decrease cost. These versions may also have drive-by-wire/electronic throttle control. Applications: · 1999–2003 Lexus RX 300 (US market) · 1999–2003 Lexus ES 300 · 2000–2004 Toyota Avalon · 2001–2003 Toyota Highlander/Kluger · 2001–2003 Toyota Sienna · 2002– Toyota Alphard (Japanese domestic market) · 2003–2006 Toyota Camry (V6) Back to Rocket: All that really made me want to go with the 1MZ but the oil gelling issues have given me reason to be concerned. It's been hard to wade through all the info on the matter because there is so much of it and it's hard to tell who is telling the truth. There are guys on the camry and sienna forums that swear up and down that they changed the oil more frequently than Toyota specifies and they still got sludge. Here is a list of the V6 vehicles recalled for the oil gelling issue: · Toyota Camry V6 1997-2002 · Toyota Solara V6 1999-2002 · Toyota Sienna V6 1998-2002 · Toyota Avalon V6 1997-2002 · Toyota Highlander V6 2001-2002 · Lexus ES300 1997-2002 · Lexus RX300 1999-2002 What's interesting is that the 5S-FE was recalled to. I deleted those from the list just because I was only keeping information about the V6 engines but the 98-99 celica was part of the recall. |
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Dec 13, 2011 - 10:26 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 23, '11 From kenton ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 14 (100%) |
thanks ill look into these more as some as I can narrow down what to look for
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Dec 13, 2011 - 11:45 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 5, '05 From pineapple under the sea Currently Offline Reputation: 9 (100%) |
Your list doesn't have the early model 1MZ on it, so you can always go with a 94-96 1MZ.
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Dec 14, 2011 - 12:35 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 23, '11 From kenton ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 14 (100%) |
QUOTE (95CelicaST @ Dec 14, 2011 - 12:45 AM) Your list doesn't have the early model 1MZ on it, so you can always go with a 94-96 1MZ. what did it come in I've read your thread but can't remember ( your an stephen_lee made me want a v6 swap lol ) -------------------- 95 gt coupe, v6 swap weekend toy
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Dec 14, 2011 - 8:35 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 5, '05 From pineapple under the sea Currently Offline Reputation: 9 (100%) |
Camry and es300. Apparently they are not prone to sludge.
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Dec 14, 2011 - 10:10 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 23, '11 From kenton ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 14 (100%) |
haha that's the year range the junk yards been looking for
so I guess I need a motor from like a 91-93 camry/es300 oops well that might ne what I end up with idont know yet ill see if they find any thing I told them 91-95I v6 so ill have to wait an se -------------------- 95 gt coupe, v6 swap weekend toy
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Dec 14, 2011 - 10:16 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 23, '11 From kenton ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 14 (100%) |
ok the junk yard has a complete swap (motor no trans) from a 93 so that should be a 3vzfe2 correct
looked it up just double checkin with you guys edit I shouldn't say anything on here before noon since im barely awake till then since my awnser to the year was in the first post duh 
This post has been edited by kurt95gt: Dec 14, 2011 - 10:23 AM -------------------- 95 gt coupe, v6 swap weekend toy
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Dec 14, 2011 - 10:31 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 23, '11 From kenton ohio Currently Offline Reputation: 14 (100%) |
Ok talked to the junk yard again they have still in the car fresh at the yard just got it in yesterday right after I talked to him (im sure that a sign this was ment to be ) so ill even be able to hear it run! so
so im not doin tobad price wise yet 400 for motor an wiring an ecu 100 on tires Goin to go today an price new a tune up an a fly wheel an go from there thanks for your guys help celicast95 how did your harness cost to get done the guy on your other thread ill have around 350that left after engine an hoist so if I can I might get that done asap so I don't have worry about it later on -------------------- 95 gt coupe, v6 swap weekend toy
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Dec 14, 2011 - 11:14 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 5, '05 From pineapple under the sea Currently Offline Reputation: 9 (100%) |
My harness was done by MR220V on MR2.com and MR2OC.com for just a bit over $400.
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