Car is STILL overheating, Need help! |
Car is STILL overheating, Need help! |
May 29, 2012 - 2:22 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 8, '12 From Hanford/Fresno, Ca Currently Offline Reputation: 20 (100%) |
couldnt tell if its been asked or answered yet but is it blowing out water from the radiator into the overflow bottle? by the way, instead of rewiring the radiator fans to run them full time you simply unplug the thermo-switch in the bottom, just leaving it hangin there the ecu will run the fans will full time. Yea it's blowing out water to the overflow bottle. That should mean there's good pressure. Right? -------------------- |
May 29, 2012 - 10:12 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 3, '05 From Richmond, B.C. Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
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May 29, 2012 - 10:25 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 3, '05 From Richmond, B.C. Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Yea it's blowing out water to the overflow bottle. That should mean there's good pressure. Right? No. That means the cap is seeing enough pressure that its valve is opening to allow water out. If the cap is an incorrect rating, isn't on properly, or is not functioning correctly, then the pressure in the system and subsequently the temperature will be incorrect as well. There's some simple tests for the temperature gauge. Disconnect the sensor (on the water neck, single-wire sensor) and ensure that the gauge reads cool. Ground the connector through a 3.4W test bulb and turn the ignition to ON; the gauge needle should move towards HOT. The gauge may also be checked at the cluster, for resistance. Unfortunately, I don't have access to the sixth-gen's BGB so I can't tell you which terminals on the back of the cluster are involved in testing. |
May 29, 2012 - 10:35 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 8, '12 From Hanford/Fresno, Ca Currently Offline Reputation: 20 (100%) |
Yea it's blowing out water to the overflow bottle. That should mean there's good pressure. Right? No. That means the cap is seeing enough pressure that its valve is opening to allow water out. If the cap is an incorrect rating, isn't on properly, or is not functioning correctly, then the pressure in the system and subsequently the temperature will be incorrect as well. There's some simple tests for the temperature gauge. Disconnect the sensor (on the water neck, single-wire sensor) and ensure that the gauge reads cool. Ground the connector through a 3.4W test bulb and turn the ignition to ON; the gauge needle should move towards HOT. The gauge may also be checked at the cluster, for resistance. Unfortunately, I don't have access to the sixth-gen's BGB so I can't tell you which terminals on the back of the cluster are involved in testing. I'm going to have to keep that in mind. I just finished troubleshooting my car earlier. But I'll do this test tomorrow. My car only has a short ram so it's not a loud car. Is your Intake Air Temperature sensor plugged into your air intake, after the filter? Which sensor is that? Is that the one that looks like a probe that's inserted into the intake piping? -------------------- |
May 29, 2012 - 10:51 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 8, '12 From Hanford/Fresno, Ca Currently Offline Reputation: 20 (100%) |
So today I decided to replace my lower radiator hose because I noticed it was leaking a bit at the water outlet. When I went to remove the hose the water outlet actually broke off. It was worn out and old. Since it was plastic, it was reasonable to why it would be like that. I went to AutoZone and replaced it with a cast iron water outlet.
What I did today was replaced the lower radiator hose, replaced the water outlet, flushed the cooling system AGAIN, and bled it AGAIN. Took it for a run and it had no progress. It was still jumping. -_-' ^This picture. You can actually see a piece of the water outlet stuck inside the hose^ This post has been edited by ILoveMySilly97: May 29, 2012 - 10:52 PM -------------------- |
May 30, 2012 - 7:15 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 20, '11 From Houston tx Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
same problem no fix
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May 30, 2012 - 7:48 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 8, '12 From Hanford/Fresno, Ca Currently Offline Reputation: 20 (100%) |
Well. I just installed a new radiator fan switch and no progress. I already ordered a Spectrum Premium radiator off of Amazon. Should be coming in sometime in 3-5 days. If this doesn't fix it.....then I'll just hope it's not a blown head gasket. I have no obvious signs of a bad head gasket YET at least. No milky oil or coolant.
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May 30, 2012 - 8:35 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 20, '11 From Houston tx Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
yea same here n i just put in a new rad.
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May 30, 2012 - 9:56 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 8, '12 From Hanford/Fresno, Ca Currently Offline Reputation: 20 (100%) |
yea same here n i just put in a new rad. Damn. Now that I think about it. I could've spent all that money I spent to replace working parts to a shop that could've done a diagnostic check on it. -_-' -------------------- |
May 30, 2012 - 10:51 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 29, '11 From Haltom City, Texas Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
yea same here n i just put in a new rad. Damn. Now that I think about it. I could've spent all that money I spent to replace working parts to a shop that could've done a diagnostic check on it. -_-' ^^^This single post above should have its own sticky |
May 30, 2012 - 11:08 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined May 12, '12 From Phoenix Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
This is why components should be tested prior to replacement.
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Jun 1, 2012 - 4:14 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 24, '08 From Canoga Park CA. Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
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Jun 1, 2012 - 5:32 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 3, '05 From Richmond, B.C. Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
In your other thread on this issue -- you really should keep it to one thread -- you mention you installed a 170 thermostat. If you mean you installed a thermostat calibrated for 170 Farenheit, you put in the wrong thermostat. The 5SFE is designed to work with an 82C/180F thermostat. That you're not using a Toyota thermostat makes me also wonder if what you installed includes a jiggle valve and a proper gasket.
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Jun 1, 2012 - 6:39 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 8, '12 From Hanford/Fresno, Ca Currently Offline Reputation: 20 (100%) |
In your other thread on this issue -- you really should keep it to one thread -- you mention you installed a 170 thermostat. If you mean you installed a thermostat calibrated for 170 Farenheit, you put in the wrong thermostat. The 5SFE is designed to work with an 82C/180F thermostat. That you're not using a Toyota thermostat makes me also wonder if what you installed includes a jiggle valve and a proper gasket. Isn't it the lower the better? The degrees is only determines when the thermostat opens correct? So it wouldn't hurt to open a just a lil bit earlier. I mean it keeps the engine cooler. Or am I wrong? -------------------- |
Jun 1, 2012 - 8:41 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 11, '08 From Auckland, New Zealand Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I've just been through the same thing as you, No milky coffee oil/coolant etc. first the pipes corroded, then it overheated, tried flushes, trd stats, trd caps,... yep turns out block & head surfaces were way warped, gasket was leaking inbetween layers, it was just combustion pushing water out, there was no oil to coolant leak.
sorry pal, the more u drive it the worse its gonna get. rebuild it or get another motor now. -------------------- Mike W
1996 Toyota Celica ST205 GT-FOUR GT2860RS turbine, TiAL mvr44, JE 86.5φ piston, Clutchmasters FX400, APEX P-FC 269awhp / 273ft-lbs |
Jun 2, 2012 - 1:57 AM |
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 3, '05 From Richmond, B.C. Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
In your other thread on this issue -- you really should keep it to one thread -- you mention you installed a 170 thermostat. If you mean you installed a thermostat calibrated for 170 Farenheit, you put in the wrong thermostat. The 5SFE is designed to work with an 82C/180F thermostat. That you're not using a Toyota thermostat makes me also wonder if what you installed includes a jiggle valve and a proper gasket. Isn't it the lower the better? The degrees is only determines when the thermostat opens correct? So it wouldn't hurt to open a just a lil bit earlier. I mean it keeps the engine cooler. Or am I wrong? No, the engine is designed to work at a certain temperature range. If colder were better, Toyota could have skipped using a thermostat entirely to keep the engine near freezing when driving. Air-fuel ratios are adjusted based upon engine temperature. It's the same reason those chips which fool the ECU into thinking the air is colder are a bad idea. |
Jun 2, 2012 - 11:54 AM |
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 8, '12 From Hanford/Fresno, Ca Currently Offline Reputation: 20 (100%) |
I've just been through the same thing as you, No milky coffee oil/coolant etc. first the pipes corroded, then it overheated, tried flushes, trd stats, trd caps,... yep turns out block & head surfaces were way warped, gasket was leaking inbetween layers, it was just combustion pushing water out, there was no oil to coolant leak. sorry pal, the more u drive it the worse its gonna get. rebuild it or get another motor now. Yea. I'm going to get my car diagnosed if replacing the radiator doesn't fix it. In your other thread on this issue -- you really should keep it to one thread -- you mention you installed a 170 thermostat. If you mean you installed a thermostat calibrated for 170 Farenheit, you put in the wrong thermostat. The 5SFE is designed to work with an 82C/180F thermostat. That you're not using a Toyota thermostat makes me also wonder if what you installed includes a jiggle valve and a proper gasket. Isn't it the lower the better? The degrees is only determines when the thermostat opens correct? So it wouldn't hurt to open a just a lil bit earlier. I mean it keeps the engine cooler. Or am I wrong? No, the engine is designed to work at a certain temperature range. If colder were better, Toyota could have skipped using a thermostat entirely to keep the engine near freezing when driving. Air-fuel ratios are adjusted based upon engine temperature. It's the same reason those chips which fool the ECU into thinking the air is colder are a bad idea. So I should just go back and buy the 180 one instead. Might try to return the one I just bought since I still have the receipt. -------------------- |
Jun 11, 2012 - 12:05 AM |
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 8, '12 From Hanford/Fresno, Ca Currently Offline Reputation: 20 (100%) |
Ok. So here's an UPDATE. So. I let my car idle and heat up to about 70% and I just let it idle. It kept jumping when the fan turns on and off so I decided to unplug the sensor/switch so that the fan will always be on. When I did that trick. The gauge went down to about 45% and stayed there and never climbed or jump?
When it's connected. The fan will turn on for about 2-5 seconds max. I know that's too short. I think that's why I'm getting these problems. My fan is just not turning and staying on for the right amount of time. What I did was replaced the radiator and the fan switch. So I don't know why the fan isn't staying on for the right amount of time? Any ideas? This post has been edited by ILoveMySilly97: Jun 11, 2012 - 12:05 AM -------------------- |
Jun 11, 2012 - 5:11 AM |
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 3, '05 From Richmond, B.C. Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Same idea as has been advanced before -- test the fan temperature switch. Also, test the fan itself.
4. INSPECT COOLING FAN (a) Connect battery and ammeter to the cooling fan connector. (b) Check that the cooling fan rotates smoothly, and check the reading on the ammeter. Standard amperage: 4A–FE and 5S–FE 5.8 – 7.4 A A $10 multimeter saves a lot of money by preventing the needless replacement of working parts. You haven't mentioned getting your timing corrected. If that's the cause of overheating, all this other work won't fix the problem. This post has been edited by Galcobar: Jun 11, 2012 - 5:13 AM |
Jun 11, 2012 - 11:35 AM |
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 30, '11 From Atlanta via Mobile Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Cooler is not necessarily better. This thread is getting clogged with garbage (including this one). If the fan stops running, give it a spin and see if it runs on its own for another 3sec. If it stops, its fan time. Also that nonuniform thermostat could be throwing a wrench into the system. If that fails, check back in. We'll get this thing worked out!
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