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How/why can you make something that works for so cheap? Discuss e-Bay springs!

Why cheap out when you can get a set of known to perform, brand name springs, for less than 100 bucks more?

I'm not considering to cheap out, but really think about it. If these are simply a different design and offer the same looks/performance as a spring worth $100 more, why would you buy x-brand spring? The only reason I could think of is brand loyalty.

I mean, back a couple of years ago they used to piss on Megan Racing, and they've proven themselves good.

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Superior materials, craftsmanship, and design with the name brands. The eBay springs might be ok, but why risk it? Get what is known to be good and save the trouble.

He is actually a well-renown person in the MR2 scene. Being a Mexican seller proud of his country says nothing about it.



There isn't a rocket science to making springs. Even the "top brand" manufacturers have different ways of making each of theirs. If there was a sure-way of making the same thing, all manufacturers would sell the same product. These springs just have a different design to what is commonly used.

I was just initially asking if there is a risk in the design of those springs I linked to. What I mean is, what are the benefits and/or downsides of so many dead coils. I've read their purpose is to act as a spacer of some kind, similar to what a helper spring does in, for example, a coilover setup.

As far as craftsmanship, all spring-making processes are basically fully mechanical. Little human labor is involved.

I don't mean to come off as anything else than a person with questions.

They don't have the stiffness of the springs listed, probably will have to send an e-mail to find out. Yes there's little human labour involved, but I'm sure the machinery used by Tein and Tanabe is better. Better quality control and testing, that and they've been making springs for some time now. If there are two places not to go cheap with on a car it's suspension and brakes, don't want to compromise the safety of the vehicle. eBay springs should be fine, but I personally wouldn't use them. I'm just leery of the no name brands on eBay.

Because no one knows for sure how cheap springs perform and even if they were from the same parts bin as quality known springs how do we know that, are you willing to test, and risk your money, i guess the final answer relies on you getting it and trying it for yourself, thats what I do if no one has tried it. sometimes we dont know if they even fit correctly or live up to expectations. Do i recommend unknown stuff, no on behalf of most people, personally i like to try anything depending on good research review and reputation. its Your call buying unknown vs Buying whats known to work because times are tuff and times are waste, LOL.

they are made with ****ty materials that are likely to deform over time. they're also known to be too soft which can be led back to poor design (crappy material selection & manufacturing processes as already mentioned). also, ebay springs aren't likely put into any endurance testing and product failure sampling since that requires expensive machinery and extra company resources. this is all just speculation, not sure what exactly goes on in those spring factories in china. springs hold up the static weight of the car and also allow suspension travel when going over bumps but if they sag over time or compress beyond allowable suspension travel tolerances, then it could lead to blown struts, tire rubbing, body bottoming out, and poor ride quality.


How Eibach Springs Are Made (9:23)

That's the thing. All that is said against them is really speculation.

They're also not forthcoming with how the springs are made like Tein etc... You can go to Tein's site now and read how they go about making and testing their products. If you're willing to risk buying eBay springs, then do it. If they work for you, then great. For all we know the eBay springs and Megan, or other Chinese made springs, could be the same thing.

This post has been edited by Box: Jun 27, 2012 - 2:29 PM

I have not heard of him - he is not big in the MR2 scene.

not sure if you're considering buying these springs or not, but if you are, then go for it. be sure to let us know how these work out for you and give us a detailed comparison between these and a well-known lowering spring manufacturer like tein, eibach, tanabe, etc.
if we can't get any concrete info on how ebay springs are made, everything is just speculation, therefore there is nothing to discuss.
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And all that's said for them is speculation.

You might get value for money. You might not. People pay more for a brand name because the name is an assurance of some level of quality. They're not paying for the name -- well, the smart people aren't -- they're paying for the risk avoidance.

Given we're talking about something that would likely cause an accident if it fails, and will cause great discomfort if it's crap, people pay more to be sure they'll get a product that is up to the specification.

This kind of thing happens on eBay all the time:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/90-99-Toyota-Celic...=item3f129abc80

If you do a search, you'll know what I mean. Their MKI MR2 springs are quite interesting.




IMO, cold-wound, SAE-grade steel is the same, eBay spring or not. My OP has a type of spring I've never seen used for our cars before, with a ton of dead coils acting as a spacer. I'm interested in more information as to why they chose to use that design rather than a design like Tein/Eibach which have much less/no dead coils.




This post has been edited by Syaoran: Jun 27, 2012 - 10:52 PM

normally, you would go for certain products if it were the ONLY option but in this case, 6gcs have no problem with aftermarket lowering support between coilovers and springs.

To answer your question, that many dead springs = annoying noise that happens after about 2000 miles when the "coating" on the outside starts to wear down and the spring starts rattling together. That spring will also most likely sag more because it seems that they are using less tension than say, Eibach's.

If coilovers weren't so expensive, I'd consider it. But a full set of coilovers right now would cost me more than the car itself.




Thanks. Is there any particular reason that design would be chosen over most other springs who use the same design? I imagine price wouldn't be the reason as a lot more material would be needed to manufacture them.

The major thing I would be worried about is the 1.4" drop.

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