How to tell the difference between a 3sfe and 5sfe? |
How to tell the difference between a 3sfe and 5sfe? |
Sep 29, 2012 - 4:52 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined May 12, '06 From Wilmington, NC Currently Offline Reputation: 45 (100%) |
Hey, I'm likely going to be buying a celica in the next week or so, but one concern I have with it is that the motor was replaced with a "30,000 mile" motor. I know from when I was trying to find an engine for the celica I used to have, that most places just sold a 3sfe instead of the 5sfe, so I was wondering if there was any way I could tell if this car I'm buying has a 3s or 5s? It's got the 5s intake manifold and valve cover for sure, but I figure those could just be bolted onto a 3s. Is there any other sure-fire way to tell which engine it's got? Thanks in advance
-------------------- 94 GT - Sold -------- 69 Pontiac Lemans - Sold 88 Alltrac - Sold ---- 04 WRX - Sold 00 GT-S - Sold ------ 91 Miata - project/drift car 95 GT - Sold -------- 96 GT - New Daily Drive |
Sep 29, 2012 - 5:52 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 23, '12 From Warrior, AL Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
If it has a 5S intake manifold and valve cover I'd think it a 5S-FE. Ehh, should be an identifying number on the block somewhere.
-------------------- 2001 Miata LS 5-speed
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Sep 29, 2012 - 7:28 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined May 12, '06 From Wilmington, NC Currently Offline Reputation: 45 (100%) |
That's what I was thinking but I think the 5s manifold and valve cover bolt to the 3s, so if someone were just swapping the long block they could've just re-used the 5s stuff. I can't recall ever seeing a block identification number or vin number anywhere on the block last time I had a 5s out of the car, but that was several years ago.
-------------------- 94 GT - Sold -------- 69 Pontiac Lemans - Sold 88 Alltrac - Sold ---- 04 WRX - Sold 00 GT-S - Sold ------ 91 Miata - project/drift car 95 GT - Sold -------- 96 GT - New Daily Drive |
Sep 29, 2012 - 7:40 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 23, '12 From Warrior, AL Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Bust open the dash and look at the ECU.
-------------------- 2001 Miata LS 5-speed
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Sep 29, 2012 - 10:15 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined May 12, '06 From Wilmington, NC Currently Offline Reputation: 45 (100%) |
^ I'm pretty sure the 3s can be run off the 5s ecu though, so even if it's got a 5s ECU it could still be a 3s.
-------------------- 94 GT - Sold -------- 69 Pontiac Lemans - Sold 88 Alltrac - Sold ---- 04 WRX - Sold 00 GT-S - Sold ------ 91 Miata - project/drift car 95 GT - Sold -------- 96 GT - New Daily Drive |
Sep 29, 2012 - 10:25 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 23, '12 From Warrior, AL Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Don't know then. Should be some kind of marker on the block. I really don't foresee someone swapping in a 3S, then making it look like a 5S.
This post has been edited by Box: Sep 29, 2012 - 10:26 PM -------------------- 2001 Miata LS 5-speed
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Sep 30, 2012 - 7:29 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined May 10, '10 From MA Currently Offline Reputation: 37 (100%) |
just ask what CC the engine is. If it's not a 2200, then it's not a 5s
Or what liter the engine is, which the 5s is a 2.2L |
Sep 30, 2012 - 7:30 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 9, '12 From Tazewell Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
my engine has a VIN tag on the bottom down by the oil pan next to the trans, if that hasn't been removed you can see what type of vehicle it belongs to and go from there
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Oct 1, 2012 - 12:04 AM |
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 8, '03 From Lancaster CA Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%) |
just post a pic of it
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1997 Supra TT 6speed 1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap 1990 Celica All-Trac |
Oct 1, 2012 - 1:18 AM |
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Enthusiast Joined May 12, '06 From Wilmington, NC Currently Offline Reputation: 45 (100%) |
just post a pic of it http://www.6gc.net/celicas/1995-gt-hatchback-14514 That's the car I'm looking to get. To me, everthing looks to be 5s, but i just wanted to know if there was a way to find out for sure -------------------- 94 GT - Sold -------- 69 Pontiac Lemans - Sold 88 Alltrac - Sold ---- 04 WRX - Sold 00 GT-S - Sold ------ 91 Miata - project/drift car 95 GT - Sold -------- 96 GT - New Daily Drive |
Oct 1, 2012 - 8:15 AM |
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 29, '11 From Haltom City, Texas Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
5SFE, california emissions specification, not Federal emissions. Yours has an extra O2 sensor and an external ignition coil, among other things different.
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Oct 3, 2012 - 1:53 AM |
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 4, '12 From US Currently Offline Reputation: 6 (100%) |
Wow, if it wasn't for the pinstripe, I'd say that's the first ever dealer-like 6GC I've seen.
-------------------- 1993 Celica GT Coupe - sold
1994 Celica GT Liftback |
Oct 14, 2012 - 8:29 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined May 12, '06 From Wilmington, NC Currently Offline Reputation: 45 (100%) |
Bought the car yesterday and after inspecting for a while I noticed that stamped on the driver's side of the block, right below the head, it's stamped "5s"
-------------------- 94 GT - Sold -------- 69 Pontiac Lemans - Sold 88 Alltrac - Sold ---- 04 WRX - Sold 00 GT-S - Sold ------ 91 Miata - project/drift car 95 GT - Sold -------- 96 GT - New Daily Drive |
Oct 14, 2012 - 8:41 PM |
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 14, '09 From Mid West Currently Offline Reputation: 7 (100%) |
Great buy 6!!..
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Oct 15, 2012 - 11:20 AM |
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Enthusiast Joined May 12, '06 From Wilmington, NC Currently Offline Reputation: 45 (100%) |
^ Thanks, the exterior is SUPER clean, I think I counted only 1 ding in the entire car! The interior needs the driver's front leahter seat redone and the passenger rear seat back, but other than that the thing is is awesome shape. I'll be making a thread about this car in the project section soon after I get some good pictures of it
-------------------- 94 GT - Sold -------- 69 Pontiac Lemans - Sold 88 Alltrac - Sold ---- 04 WRX - Sold 00 GT-S - Sold ------ 91 Miata - project/drift car 95 GT - Sold -------- 96 GT - New Daily Drive |
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