The V6 Celica is here, sharing my experience Options

[fastgt]

the 2GRFE is a crazy engine. Basictly its Toyotas answer to the overly used VQ35DE.. which seems to be in every Nissan

hey i like my vq..... ....anyways awesome motor when boosted.

anyways congrats on the swap i love hearing the celica owners finding new ways to make them faster

i still miss my celi...but not the 5s

[SinisterWhisper]

2GRFE is simply too costly at this point for most of us sadly. however I would like to see more information on the V6 Swap. How difficult was it to change the harness for example?

[jdg371]

For the 3MZ you grab all the computers needed to get the engine running. Same thing is needed for the 2GR (32 Computers I believe)

[K-ESD]

For the 3MZ you grab all the computers needed to get the engine running. Same thing is needed for the 2GR (32 Computers I believe)

Fact on the 3MZ ECUs:
the 3MZ ECU only needs the immobilizer computer w/ amplifier and the key with the right chip in it. Theres a procedure to make the ECU learn the immobilizer ECU when everything is hooked up. I will add it to the guide.
thats all, anything else are sensors, a whole wack load of them

Theory on the 2GR ECUs (based on wiring diagram analysis):
-power supply (power control ECU) needed
-Immobilizer ECU + ampli + key needed

the rest are doodades that don't relate to the starting and running of the engine... like
-multiplex communications
-Emissions related sensors
-Tranny solenoids
-Body ECU (part of the multiplex com.)
-Automatic A/C control
-Skid control/traction control

any of this information (theory) is not fact until proven

I would like to keep the information flow as clean as possible to prevent confusion. I am working on a guide based on my experience. With it, it will cover all critical information for 1MZ's and 3MZ's. The 2GR is very similar to the 3MZ in terms of opperation so a large portion of the 2GR is technicaly covered, however is still theory because it has never been done in the celica before.

This post has been edited by K-ESD: Sep 6, 2006 - 6:17 PM

[K-ESD]

2GRFE is simply too costly at this point for most of us sadly. however I would like to see more information on the V6 Swap. How difficult was it to change the harness for example?

Wiring wasn't dificult at all. I wish I could compare to the 3SGTE and other motors.

It's very straight forward, the fact I got a Sienna motor made it even easier. The harness on the sienna is just one bundle as opposed to the 5SFE where it's tied into the fuse box on the right, goes thru the engine and into the firewall to connect to the ECU inside. The Sienna wiring harness is just engine thru firewall to ECU, thats it. 3 ECU plugs and 4 joining plugs. The diagrams were very easy to follow but needs to be studied inside out. One thing tho, the exact year/model diagram is needed, no exceptions... unless you enjoy pulling your hair.

I didn't mess around, I made my own power distribution system (EFI circuit) in conjuction to the EFI circuit of the 5SFE. This way I'm 100% sure that the ignition sequence behaves exactly like it did in the Sienna. I made the wiring in a way that the engine can be unbolted, detached and easily unpluged in the case where I would need to remove it.

[K-ESD]

and the update

the celica is back in the garage for final refinements and working out bugs.
plus:
-2.5" exhaust, header back
-custom strut bar
-possible custom headers, if time permits
-lowering springs (if i can find some soon enough)

Other things that will be done is upgrades to the carPC
-add in the intergrated OBD2 code reader
-dash cam
-engine mic for extra loud engine sound thru stereo (novelty)
-voice recongnition
-GPS

[spolski07]

i love it!!!

[hitcachi]

+1 sticky this work of art!

[Valo666]

dude..drive to ontario, and do this for my car..how much roughly did it cost you in CND?? I blew my motor last week and this would be 100 times better for me than a 3sgte.

[celica47]

IAm really interested also.... i mean 200+ HP n/a OMG!!

[K-ESD]

sorry, I won't be making any swaps for others. I don't have the free time to make a swap withing a short time frame.... and, at the moment, I don't feel like doing annother one.

However, I will provide as much information as possible, I really want to see others making V6 swaps.

edit:

Costs, a full swap, thats engine, transmission and all the related parts... including brand new fidanza flywheel and K&N filter, magnaflow exhaust. A little under 4k.
This is a "deluxe" swap, keeping the stock GT trans will slash cost in almost half, going for a older 1MZ with cut cost some more. I strongly believe it can be done at a minimum of $2k, maybe cheaper with some luck finding the right deals at a junk yard. (this applies to GT owners, ST owners will have to get a transmission and related parts)

fully dressed 1mzfe, 3sgte or v6 pressure plate, rad hoses, custom exhaust work for front, custom motor mount (pass side) + odds and ends like oil, coolant, misc parts, etc...

it's a good thing to have connections to have some welding done for the mount and exhaust

This post has been edited by K-ESD: Sep 24, 2006 - 8:11 AM

[ThAixGuYx2k7]

You are incredible man. WAY TO GO! You have all of my respect for doing this swap and actually sitting down to tell others how to do it as well! All of us that might be looking to do a swap owe you a HUGE Thanks! Keep up the good work man! (My dad has an 04 Sienna so i have a feel of what that motor will do ) do you have any idea on how much torque you are producing?

This post has been edited by ThAixGuYx2k7: Sep 7, 2006 - 7:21 PM

[zipstrips]

congrats on your work!

[K-ESD]

You are incredible man. WAY TO GO! You have all of my respect for doing this swap and actually sitting down to tell others how to do it as well! All of us that might be looking to do a swap owe you a HUGE Thanks! Keep up the good work man! (My dad has an 04 Sienna so i have a feel of what that motor will do ) do you have any idea on how much torque you are producing?

Thanks everyone

I have still no numbers of anything this engine produces except i'm sure it's well over 200wHP 200wtrq. Toyota rates this engine at 230HP 242trq. My only indication of its power is the wheels spin like if they were on gravel.... but they are on pave. That can be good thing I supose

[Rayme]

I'm cheap, maybe a low-mileage 3vz-fe iin the future??

[3rdgen3SGTE]

belle job c'est pas un anglophone qui aurais faite ca

[Shigexile]

belle job c'est pas un anglophone qui aurais faite ca

je n'e sei pas francais....je ne paller francais... i forgot. never mind. your swap looks nice too. ( both of you guys).

[94celicadude]

ce boulot a etait vraiment bien fait. Great job man.

[K-ESD]

belle job c'est pas un anglophone qui aurais faite ca

Merci
vive le Canada français

[azian_advanced]

je parle français aussi, peux-tu m'installer un V6 ici svp?