supershannon77's new 5SFTE powered celica, NEW DYNO RESULTS PG5 285+WHP! PG6 vid added! Options

[lagos]

HOLY ****.
All on an ebay copy turbo!

I believe this might be a new record for the stock block 5sfe.


This post has been edited by lagos: Aug 23, 2008 - 11:38 AM

[95celgt]

o my F IN g!!!!!!!

The power band even continues to make great power to redline!!
And the ARF is UBER safe looking LOL!!!

That is amazing!!!, so my friend totaled his 5Sfe camry.....only 80K miles......looks like im going 5sfte over the 3sgte this time
How much did this asian turbo kit go for again??!?

[supershannon77]

I am speechless right now I was at work and I got mannys voicemail telling me the results I was just screaming and jumping up and down...To say the least I am very happy about the results..We will be putting cams in soon..You no I wanna say one thing tho.. I left my car with manny like a month or 2 ago..we been having probs finding side skirts that fit so things took longer then expected..and I have not worried about the car at all I no its in good hands and he wouldnt be just racing it around town its just nice to have that feeling..I also no things could have not gone in our favor on the dyno but I was risking it...Thanks Manny...Now this is gonna be the longest week of my life waiting to come get the car.

[presure2]

free bump for a quick vid of it on the dyno:

[6strngs]

285+whp and just about 300ftlbs

damn! it still falls off around 5000 RPMs though, imagine those numbers with cams! I'd think well over 300WHP would be achieved then...

[manphibian]

That is incredible work

[presure2]

just another overlay i set up to illustrate the diffrence between my setup and shannons.

my run is in blue, run #29

shannons car in red, run #22



as you can see, my car spools about 600rpm or so sooner, but gives up ~50whp up top because of the smaller hot side.

seeing this REALLY makes me want to go ahead and buy the real garret 46trim t3/4. going from what the 3s guys see, its normally ~3-400 rpm diffrence in spool between a 50trim and a 46trim...supossedly (hell you cant trust those ebay knockoffs, right??!! LOL ) theyre turbo is a 57trim. even if we could only gain 3-400rpm in spool time, that would be a KILLLLLER.

DISCUSS!

[NuclearHappineS]

Last time i looked at flow charts... for a stock 5sfe you want a T3/TO4e 46 trim

A 54 trim is good on a higher flowing head (at a lower pressure ratio) which is a wider compressor map. which makes sense for say an 8000rpm cammed 5sfe or a 3sgte. But for a 5sfe (high pressure ratio, relatively low flow figures) which is a taller map, the 46 trim is perfect.

If you can do an external wastegated T3/T04e 46 trim i'd think you'd post some really nice numbers... Restrict the A/R to get the fast spool... and use an external 40mm or larger wastegate so that the small A/R doesn't choke off your top end.

if you do that, and you do it right you'll have a graph that looks like the best parts of your run and shannon's run combined.

Of course, nobody ever listens to me. What do I know about anything.

[NuclearHappineS]

The 'Nuclear' Setup:


Full race T3 manifold
http://www.full-race.com/catalog/product_i...cea43c2f63ffcca

ball bearinged T3/To4e 46 trim

modified 2jz cam gear

Dual stage boost controller or Apexi AVCR (for traction) ...

Of course bring the octane

[presure2]

Last time i looked at flow charts... for a stock 5sfe you want a T3/TO4e 46 trim

A 54 trim is good on a higher flowing head (at a lower pressure ratio) which is a wider compressor map. which makes sense for say an 8000rpm cammed 5sfe or a 3sgte. But for a 5sfe (high pressure ratio, relatively low flow figures) which is a taller map, the 46 trim is perfect.

If you can do an external wastegated T3/T04e 46 trim i'd think you'd post some really nice numbers... Restrict the A/R to get the fast spool... and use an external 40mm or larger wastegate so that the small A/R doesn't choke off your top end.

if you do that, and you do it right you'll have a graph that looks like the best parts of your run and shannon's run combined.

Of course, nobody ever listens to me. What do I know about anything.

ive been saying exactly that for a long time.

i just cant afford it. lol

the "streetbrawler" 46 trim turbo from ko would be the perfect choice for this motor, IMO.

[NuclearHappineS]

Yeah streetbrawler is a kickass piece of kit too

[supershannon77]

Just out of my curiosity what horror stories have u guys heard about the ebay turbos..have u ever heard of one lasting this long? Im not trying to be funny I really just wondering.

[JDM_Factory]

Nice work guys! I'm starting to like this 5sfte more than any 2nd or 3rd gen 3s. Power is ready available any time. Will you ever try going with a full ems?

[JDM_Factory]

Just out of my curiosity what horror stories have u guys heard about the ebay turbos..have u ever heard of one lasting this long? Im not trying to be funny I really just wondering.

It's common that their manifold would crack, the turbo housing would crack, the turbo would seize, oil leaks out of the turbo, there's many but it just kind of depends which batch you get I think...

Some of the Supra guys made good power out of it with the turbo kit they have on their website. There are 3 Mr2 guys that I know that have bought the $400 kit and it worked out pretty well for them except for one of them but I think he just has a tuning problem.

So far it works well for the Toyota guys but not for others...

This post has been edited by JDM_Factory: Aug 24, 2008 - 12:17 PM

[6strngs]

I don't mean to advertise, but I have a garret t3/t4 46 trim that I bought for my 5sfte that I'll no longer be needing. PM me for details if you're interested.

btw, the ebay turbo may have been working so far, but if/when it does fail, it could cause catastrophic damage. I finally figured out why my 5sfe blew not too long ago. I knew that the motor had metal in it that had chewed up the pistons and cylinder walls, but I didn't know where that metal had come from until I took my turbo/manifold/downpipe assembly apart and realized that the exhaust turbine for my turbo was missing altogether, and then I realized it was all in my engine...

[lagos]

I don't mean to advertise, but I have a garret t3/t4 46 trim that I bought for my 5sfte that I'll no longer be needing. PM me for details if you're interested.

btw, the ebay turbo may have been working so far, but if/when it does fail, it could cause catastrophic damage. I finally figured out why my 5sfe blew not too long ago. I knew that the motor had metal in it that had chewed up the pistons and cylinder walls, but I didn't know where that metal had come from until I took my turbo/manifold/downpipe assembly apart and realized that the exhaust turbine for my turbo was missing altogether, and then I realized it was all in my engine...

Its impossible for the exhaust side of your turbo to end up in your engine. Gravity and the exhaust gasses push everything out and away from the motor through the exhaust.

This post has been edited by lagos: Aug 24, 2008 - 1:07 PM

[Culpable04]

^ not if you're recirculating exhaust gas to your intake

[lagos]

^ not if you're recirculating exhaust gas to your intake

I cant afford DEI technology.

[easternpiro1]

wow shannon....congradulations! the discussion is great! im loving this thread! but what octane race gas is it?

[lagos]

^ it was a race gas/pump gas mix.