my 5SFTE turbo project, 300+whp PG 23!!!!!!! Options

[6strngs]

so, if I just used bigger injectors (440cc) with the walbro 255lph fuel pump, does it provide enough fuel or do I <i>need</i> some kind of fuel controller like an SAFCII to put even more fuel in? As in, if I just used the injectors and fuel pump, and retard my timing like a degree or two at the distributor, would it run alright?

[presure2]

no.
because the 460s are so much larger than our stock injectors, at idle, and low load points, you will need to pull out a bunch of fuel.
the idea behind the 460s is this:
under boost, you'd much rather be on the rich side, rather than lean.
with the 460's your able to get a nice stable A/f ratio under boost., with minor changes with the SAFCII
the side effect is that it is normally way to rich @ idle and part throttle cruising, and that is where the SAFCII REALLYcomes in.
(or the emanage ultimate now, in my case )

[presure2]

just for the record.
1 yr, 6 months+, and still running like a champ.

ordered a methanol/water injection kit.
this should be fun..hehe

[NgoFcukinWay]

outta curiousity, what 1/4 mile times did you trap?

[6strngs]

something just occured to me. if I have a cali-spec car with 2 o2 sensors will I have to have a downpipe from a cali-spec mr2?

[presure2]

outta curiousity, what 1/4 mile times did you trap?

i have yet to get a clean run in the car...i only got 3 runs last year, my best was a 14.1..the wifey ran a 14.07 in '05 with 30 less WHP...lmao

[99GT]

Dang that was a lot of reading...

[Cisco93lude]

You have a pm man. Hopefully you can help us out. we are right across the bridge from you!!! lol

[DG_Performance]

Just wondering if you figured out your problem at 4500rpm? if you are pulling out fuel at that point with a SAFC it is actually advancing your timing as a side effect which could be causing knock! if you are pulling fuel i advise to drop down a size smaller injectors and only add fuel in higher rpm's or drop your base fuel pressure enough so you are only adding fuel. the pulling fuel does not hurt so much in the low rpm cause of low boost but the high boost and high rpm and pulling fuel will kill your tune!!
Just though i would offer some help since i am rarely on here anymore

DG

[Batman722]

You have a pm man. Hopefully you can help us out. we are right across the bridge from you!!! lol

I hear that's the longest bridge in the world

[6strngs]

now the next thing is the oil feed line, and what to use for it.
the line for the oil feed should be no larger than -3an (3/16") alot of people have used re-enforced rubber hose for this, but IMO its one of those things where it just makes sense to spend the money to do it right to avoid problems later on.
www.atpturbo.com will custom make you a pre assembled -3an line with whatever ends you need (1 straight, 1 90 degree) for about 40$ shipped. it looks like this:

then you just buy 2 STEEL -3an to 1/8"npt fittings, they looks like this:

you can get them from www.summitracing.com for under 3$ ea +shipping. the PT # is EAR961603ERL
use one for the head fitting i talked about earlier, and take the other fitting, and the stock oil line to you local machine shop, and have them cut the banjo bolt off the stock line, and weld the fitting onto it. heres a few pics of what i am talking about. thanks to erichack for the pics.
the stock oil line:

what it looks like with the fitting welded onto it:


what it looks like from under the car, installed:

with that setup, you can pretty much forget about it, once its been run and know theres no leaks.
for the return, IMO the best setup is the stock 3s setup, meaning the 3s oil pan (yes it bolts right up) with the stock 3s rubber elbow between that and the stock return line. the rubber elbow is like 38$ from toyota, but again, its not one of those things where you wanna cheap out. its worked on the 3s for 10+ yrs, it'll work for us as well. this is what it looks like installed:

just a couple clamps on there, and your good to go.
more to come!

hey, I was just wondering exactly what length you got for the oil feed line?

also, what did you do for coolant lines? I have the stock 3s coolant lines here, and one end goes to the turbo (obviously) and then there are two hoses that come from there, I was wondering where you hooked those two hoses to?

This post has been edited by 6strngs: Mar 7, 2007 - 1:32 AM

[Batman722]

you can T into the coolant lines that go to the throttle body.

[6strngs]

you can T into the coolant lines that go to the throttle body.

so, take the hose that would normally feed coolant to the throttle body and plug it onto one of the two nipples on the 3s coolant line, then put a second hose onto the other nipple and connect it to the throttle body?

[presure2]

you can T into the coolant lines that go to the throttle body.

so, take the hose that would normally feed coolant to the throttle body and plug it onto one of the two nipples on the 3s coolant line, then put a second hose onto the other nipple and connect it to the throttle body?

there should be 2 coolant lines going to the turbo, you cut the TB coolant lines and tap into them.
the oil feed line can be ~18" iirc.


DG, im WAY past the SAFC stage, and just for future refrence, IMO the actual opposite happens with the SAFC on the 5s, because its map based.
i always had more trouble when i ADDED fuel.
odd enough, but thats how it went.
im running the emanage ultimate + WI, so no more hesitation here

[Valo666]

hey manny..you think u can do a full list..like part by part thing u need for doing this + like # of each part..like t-bolts, couplers, etc

[99GT]

Well so my buddy made 290hp on 98 honda ex motor with a home made turbo kit in his EG hatch. So I am reconsidering this instead of going the 3S route. I'm gathering parts right now also. I've read Mannys post and reading it again. Honda's are over rated and too common! haha. Thanks again manny for this awesome post.

[99GT]

Hey Manny well with all my questions and all your insightful answers. Hahah I'm going to ask them here so maybe if other people have the same questions it'll be stickied.

If I decided to run a SC50 Series turbo. Can I weld a WG onto the 3S exhaust manifold?

[99GT]

the trans-dapt filter side

still LOTS more to come

Part # 1028?

Single remote oil filter bracket verticle inlet and outlet. 3/4 -16 nipple



Sorry just want to make sure

Did you you teflon tape also?

Where did you mount your filter?

This post has been edited by 99GT: Apr 12, 2007 - 8:58 PM

[presure2]

yup.
the filter sits over next to where the battery used to be.

[shin]

ya really need to teflon tape those. or ya be seeing oil leaks everywhere lol. manny had his over where the battery was and i had mine where the washer fluid tube is. that's a shorter route if ya don't have ABS.