my 5SFTE turbo project, 300+whp PG 23!!!!!!! Options

[Supersprynt]

blowing theyre motors to smitherinees

[Defgeph]

To one year and still going strong.





Congrats Manny & Jenn

[Batman722]

OK I have had first hand experience with this car for some time now (before and after the turbo).

The amount of time and research he has put into this car is unbelievable. He has assembled a turbo project that maximizes this car like no one has ever been able to do here. The funny thing is, he is still everyday thinking of way to try to improve it. It is crazy to me the amount of knowkedge and understanding he has about how everything works with this setup. It just blows my mind. The only area IMO that needs really improvement is better tunning, and that will be solved in the near future, and that is a key factor to making it even better.

with that all said, there is no doubt in my mind that anyone who builds a turbo kit for their 5s should go this route or as close to it as possible. It will without a doubt be reliable for everyday driving boosted between 7-10psi without problems for a considerable amout of time. Manny has gone were few other have and he is passing all of them.

The fact that the motor still has great compression across all 4 after the first year is unbelievable. When he says he drives the car hard it is an understatment, Manny drives this car like it was meant to be driven - harder than I have ever driven a car, harder I have ever seen anyone drive a car (other than his wife ).

happy 1 year anniversary, yaa, I bring you a cupcake with a candle. Congrats man. There will be a few more.

[elvasoshexai]

one day my celi is gonna grow up to be just like urs!... one of these days!

This post has been edited by elvasoshexai: Jun 7, 2006 - 1:58 PM

[presure2]

thanks for all the props, guys. i appreciate it, as well as the wife
one thing i want to make perfectly clear:
there is no "secret formula" to this setup.
anyone on this site could very easily duplicate my setup, very easily.
its just a matter of doing the proper research, and applying what you learn.
im BY FAR not a rocket scientist...not by any means.
im just a regular guy, like all of you, that was looking for a way to add some "kick" to the car.
needless to say, i feel like ive been somewhat sucsessfull in my goal.

[WALKER]

...im just a regular guy, like all of you, ...

I would like to say one thing, I don't believe you are a regular guy like all of us. Most regular guys just do without taking time to think! You have taken the time to research and research and research before jumping into the deep end. From what I have noticed too many people seem to get in over their heads too late. Not enough are taking the time to research before doing. I think that is the biggest thing that I have picked up and am learning from you is to take lots of time and have all the questions answered before doing anything. That is what I want to thank you for is teaching that patience will pay off in the end! Thanks.

[presure2]

...im just a regular guy, like all of you, ...

I would like to say one thing, I don't believe you are a regular guy like all of us. Most regular guys just do without taking time to think! You have taken the time to research and research and research before jumping into the deep end. From what I have noticed too many people seem to get in over their heads too late. Not enough are taking the time to research before doing. I think that is the biggest thing that I have picked up and am learning from you is to take lots of time and have all the questions answered before doing anything. That is what I want to thank you for is teaching that patience will pay off in the end! Thanks.

walker, you hit the nail on the head.
research and common sense are the 2 keys to the 5sfte.
use them both wisely and you can have a well boosted 5sfte for a long time.

[frosty]

I love this post and it really helps out in the research.

I guess the only question I have at this moment is what is your gas mileage now since you reached those whp#'s? You guys know me, always gotta ask something as miniscule as that .

[presure2]

frosty, gas milage is all dependant on the right foot.
the more you press it, the faster you waste it.
im a road trip, where im not in boost much, i can still get 350-400miles to a tank.
or boosting hard around town and what not, i can waste it within a couple hundered or so miles, i guess. never really tried to pay attention to the gas milage to be honest, the only time ive ever really checked it is on trips..

[frosty]

frosty, gas milage is all dependant on the right foot.
the more you press it, the faster you waste it.

Heard that!

im a road trip, where im not in boost much, i can still get 350-400miles to a tank.
or boosting hard around town and what not, i can waste it within a couple hundered or so miles, i guess. never really tried to pay attention to the gas milage to be honest, the only time ive ever really checked it is on trips..

eh, I was just wondering. I figured it would drop, just didn't know if it would be significantly noticable. Either way, I can handle spending a bit more on gas. Plus, with the hp increase, it'll be worth it!

[shin]

manny's research and info have opened a better way of building a 5sfte and that's why i learn from the man. with manny, jenn, jeff and dustin's help i have a beautiful 5sfte set up too. not to mention that they have taught me, a guy who doesn't even change his own oil before till someone whole would now do his own tune up etc. most definately a very worthwhile learning experience.


This post has been edited by shin: Jun 16, 2006 - 3:27 PM

[jgreening]

long live the 5sfte! Good job Manny - your is a project that all hard-core 6gc'ers are proud of.

[puretone]

hi, i got a 5th gen 5SFE that i turbo'd, i know i know 5gen etc whatever, same engine and i too did ALOT of research.....

welded up my own manifold because i was just not impressed with the burien/OEM turbo manifold.
i use a Schwitzer t3-ish turbo, found on saabs for the most part....
Supra MK4 NA injectors, non-California spec....i dont live in the USA anyways, these suckers spray about 550cc (!) Call the friendly guys at burien toyota for the part number, i always forget to stash it in a word-document in my computer......23250-46xxx i think it is
SW20 MAP sensor.
TRE-Performance 255LPH fuel pump.

Stock ECU does fine with this MAP sensor/Injector set up. No freak-outs on the timing at all. From what i hear from the local toyota dealer (i befriended some of the Mech's after i stunned them with my build...) they told me the 3S & 5S ECU's are practically the same unit, the MAP signal on both ECU's is designed to read boost as well, AS LONG AS IT COMES FROM THE RIGHT type of MAP sensor. Non turbo MAP sensor freaks out with boost, doing the check-valve trick doesn't really cut it correctly, plus the signal it sends is always off by a few tenths of a volt. SW20 MAP sensor & Supra Injectors are the way to go.

i did some wideband O2 logging, i run slightly rich at idle, about 10.8/12 : 1 ratio, at 12psi boost it hits 9:1 or around there most of the time. Thanks Zeitronix you are teh bestest

i run NO msd bits at this point in time, timing is slightly retarded, like 8degrees, i know the ECU compensates for this, but for some reason its not detonating.

presure2: may i suggest you do this same combo, i bet your setup will hit 300HP easy with these bigger injectors & MAP.

i'll be putting in a jdm Beams 3SGE red top over the next week or so, turbo gonna be on the work bench for a while till i build a newer-ish setup for the new engine....

pics can be found at:
http://www.bitcrusher.org/gallery/celicahacking?page=3
http://www.bitcrusher.org/gallery/celicahacking?page=4

[presure2]

puretone,
i actually am using the 2bar map, just out of a alltrac instead of a mr2, same unit tho.
im also using 460cc injectors, which are good for over 275whp..which is beyond my goal.
no msd stuff on the car.
im pushing 270hp+(flywheel) and over 310ftlbs as it is, all im after in the FWD format is another 15whp and ill be more than satisfied.
in fact, the car is difficult to handle as it is on hard launches as it is.

[puretone]

puretone,
i actually am using the 2bar map, just out of a alltrac instead of a mr2, same unit tho.
im also using 460cc injectors, which are good for over 275whp..which is beyond my goal.
no msd stuff on the car.
im pushing 270hp+(flywheel) and over 310ftlbs as it is, all im after in the FWD format is another 15whp and ill be more than satisfied.
in fact, the car is difficult to handle as it is on hard launches as it is.

oh ha! i was looking at your pics, i still need to figure this forum out, i musta been looking at your older pics of what seemed to look like the old MAP sensor & 300cc injectors.

yeah the 2bar SW20 MAP sensor is the way to go....alltrac 2bar MAP is the *same* thing, altho its listed with a slightly different part number in the Toyota micro-fiches, i dont get why.

have you done any wideband with those 460cc injectors? Im wondering if the 460cc units you got are the california-spec/carb units they also use in Japan....bit leaner i suppose.

Have you tried the fuel-pump direct-relayed to battery hack those honda kiddies do? A buddy of mine did it, after which i did it as well, datalogging showed/proved that getting a nice steady (read: unimpeded voltage supply) to the fuel pump dropped both our Air-Fuel Ratio's by aroun 1.5 to 2 points. That might be good for those 15 extra HP you are looking for.....

[presure2]

naa, no need for any fuel mods at this point.
i have pleanty available fuel for the boost level and power level im at.
if you look back a page or so and look at my dyno charts, i have plenty of fuel there, and am actually pulling fuel out with the SAFCII.
in order to max out the injectors, id really have to turn the boost up a bunch, and thats somthing im not willing to do, just to lay down a number.
i use a wideband while tuning on the dyno.
the injectors are out of a n/a rx-7, denso units. the PT # is in my profile.

[puretone]

i use a wideband while tuning on the dyno.
the injectors are out of a n/a rx-7, denso units. the PT # is in my profile.

excellent.
do you know what the Air/Fuel ratio was during boost levels?

i just nailed the part number on my injectors:

23209-46031 $153.96 $0.00 $118.55
Fuel system - Fuel induction - Fuel injection - Injector
INJECTOR, Supra, w/o Turbo, Federal 1993 - 1994

prolly a good part number to keep for future modders to know about....

im really curious as to what your wideband says, are you located high up from sealevel?

[presure2]

Dynojet Research Inc.
Run Name: C:\DynoRuns\RunFile_027.drf
Run Title:
Run Notes:
Run Date: 4/1/2006 5:36:55 PM

RunFile_027.drf: 73.93 °F 30.08 in-Hg Humidity: 6 % STD: 0.99 Average Gear Ratio: 63.62

s RPM x1000 hp ft-lbs Air/Fuel *BOOST
0.35 2.10 N/A N/A 12.67 -14.70
0.67 2.20 61.22 146.14 11.34 -14.70
0.99 2.30 66.36 151.54 11.10 -14.70
1.27 2.40 69.25 151.54 10.67 -14.70
1.56 2.50 78.51 164.94 10.01 -14.70
1.83 2.60 87.79 177.34 10.17 -14.70
2.08 2.70 95.97 186.67 10.62 -14.70
2.32 2.80 104.48 195.97 10.72 -14.70
2.54 2.90 113.50 205.55 10.66 -14.70
2.75 3.00 124.03 217.12 10.97 -14.70
2.95 3.10 135.87 230.19 11.38 -14.70
3.13 3.20 147.18 241.56 11.72 -14.70
3.32 3.30 158.96 252.99 12.05 -14.70
3.49 3.40 167.21 258.29 12.38 -14.70
3.68 3.50 171.82 257.83 12.38 -14.70
3.86 3.60 176.57 257.60 12.28 -14.70
4.03 3.70 183.72 260.78 12.17 -14.70
4.21 3.80 190.32 263.05 12.14 -14.70
4.39 3.90 194.91 262.48 12.10 -14.70
4.57 4.00 199.10 261.43 12.05 -14.70
4.74 4.10 205.13 262.77 12.05 -14.70
4.91 4.20 211.24 264.15 12.13 -14.70
5.09 4.30 216.30 264.20 12.18 -14.70
5.27 4.40 219.38 261.86 12.12 -14.70
5.46 4.50 221.60 258.64 11.90 -14.70
5.65 4.60 221.94 253.40 11.52 -14.70
5.83 4.70 224.40 250.76 11.20 -14.70
6.03 4.80 225.91 247.19 11.11 -14.70
6.23 4.90 227.57 243.93 11.07 -14.70
6.43 5.00 227.05 238.50 11.04 -14.70
6.63 5.10 227.10 233.88 11.00 -14.70
6.84 5.20 226.16 228.43 10.93 -14.70
7.06 5.30 225.07 223.04 10.84 -14.70
7.27 5.40 224.00 217.86 10.83 -14.70
7.50 5.50 222.79 212.75 10.75 -14.70
7.74 5.60 221.82 208.04 10.77 -14.70
7.97 5.70 219.46 202.22 10.75 -14.70
8.22 5.80 217.91 197.32 10.85 -14.70
8.48 5.90 215.00 191.39 10.70 -14.70
8.74 6.00 211.15 184.83 10.50 -14.70
9.02 6.10 204.05 175.68 10.47 -14.70
9.32 6.20 197.60 167.39 10.32 -14.70
--------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
MAX: 9.32 6.20 227.57 264.20 12.67 -14.70
MIN: 0.35 2.10 61.22 146.14 10.01 -14.70
thats a data import of my last run.
thats also with a 50/50 mix of race and pump fuel. so the a/f ratio can acutally be a little leaner than with pump.
i am about 300ft above sea level. nothing worth noting.

[IdiotStick]

So pressure, in your honest opinion here. If you were to build another Celica, would you do this again or would you go with the 3SGTE? Powerwise, I mean. Im trying to decide if I want to just turbo my 5, or to swap it out and get a 3sgte...

Also, I just read the entire topic and I am very impressed at your knowledge in the subject of turbo's and how the entire engine works. I am in the very first stage of what you had in this. The research stage. I've been reading and studying how the engine works myself. How is the aftermarket support for internal parts for the 5? Thats my main issue. I want to go all into one of these beasts but if the internal support isnt there, I might just stick with the 3s...simply because you can get parts for it.

I did notice something though, the torque is higher than the Hp. I love seeing that on 4 cyls, because its hard to find (unless you have very small hp ).

Again, I say congrats to you sir.

[presure2]

i would do it again in a second, only insead of getting the safcII and btm, id get the emanage ultimate right from the get go, and prolly would go with a stock ct-26 rebuild, and not the ct-27.