7agte build diary, my progress so far Options

[lilsteeg]

whats the tranny used on the 20v black top the 6 speed you should get one of those

[frotou]

OK , I'm not sure if I really understand what is your problem but here the way I go ;

- 4age crank gear (I think they are all the same)

-7afe oil pump and tensionner

- 944 belt

- catcams 256" in 8.5mm lift and 243" ex. 8.0mm lift

Since I don't have the chance to run and tune the car for a long time I not sure if I use the right way to set up the cam/camgears. I started with this :



also read this :

http://www.billzilla.org/engvalve.htm

Also be sure to make "your own" tdc mark on the damper .

Keep us informed

Claude

This post has been edited by frotou: Feb 18, 2006 - 9:30 PM

[Coomer]

C160 Tranny? 6 Speed 7A-GTE. I like the sound of that for some reason...

I hear they're not that much more durable than the other C-series trannies.

Nik, what about an E51 or E58?

[doGGy]

did the tranny go out even with all the work you did to it romas?

Lol, yea it did, even with all the efford what i put using Ceramic synchros, and all the promises the guy who reworked my tranny gave about these synchros - it all started to went down after first 600 miles.... but still - 3 gear synchro is the one who died first, second one lasted longer... But im still thinking what this happend not cuz of the power and etc - but cuz of useing a short shift (hand moves faster then the leg, and this leaves to switching the gear with half way pressed clutch...)

But still - trany is not compleatly dead, still drivible - but to switch gears - its the acurate job now - or you will hear the GRRRRRRRshhhht sound of the angry trany

Nik, GZE trany is the way to go IMHO... only problem would be to solve the Clutch/Flywheel stuff....

[lilsteeg]

doggy doubble clutching it removes the need for synchros, back in the 30's trannys didnt have synchros so you had to put it in nutral, then let of the clutch, push the clutch back in and move it into gear, which is where they get the name doubble clutching you use the clutch twice

[doGGy]

doggy doubble clutching it removes the need for synchros, back in the 30's trannys didnt have synchros so you had to put it in nutral, then let of the clutch, push the clutch back in and move it into gear, which is where they get the name doubble clutching you use the clutch twice

I know this process till death... till bare bones... Cuz i learned driving Trucks, and these trucks what i had course - aint had synchros......

I would love to see how fast you could switch the gear with double clutching... Its not the easy way too...

[lilsteeg]

hmm i wonder i will have to try that tomorrow and see how fast i can do that, and that is another thing that makes the fast and the furious retarted, they said that in a drag race that you should doubble clutch, in 10 seconds i couldnt shift twice even probally

[Kwanza26]

Nik, GZE trany is the way to go IMHO... only problem would be to solve the Clutch/Flywheel stuff....

That would be a rather large problem... The E51/E58 trans use a different flywheel (224mm) and those flywheels are ONLY available for the 8 bolt crank 4AG. You'll need some sort of custom flywheel if you chose to run that tranny, along with custom mounts, custom axles, a clutch kit, and what not.

[doGGy]

Nik, GZE trany is the way to go IMHO... only problem would be to solve the Clutch/Flywheel stuff....

That would be a rather large problem... The E51/E58 trans use a different flywheel (224mm) and those flywheels are ONLY available for the 8 bolt crank 4AG. You'll need some sort of custom flywheel if you chose to run that tranny, along with custom mounts, custom axles, a clutch kit, and what not.

good point... I knew what it doesnt fit as easy as i thought, so thanks for clarification...

[Coomer]

Yep, good point Bee. I totally wasn't thinking and forgot about Nik's 7A bottom end with the six bolt flywheel.

[nik]

OK , I'm not sure if I really understand what is your problem but here the way I go ;

- 4age crank gear (I think they are all the same)

-7afe oil pump and tensionner

- 944 belt

- catcams 256" in 8.5mm lift and 243" ex. 8.0mm lift

Since I don't have the chance to run and tune the car for a long time I not sure if I use the right way to set up the cam/camgears. I started with this :



also read this :

http://www.billzilla.org/engvalve.htm

Also be sure to make "your own" tdc mark on the damper .

Keep us informed

Claude

well all this tranny talk is good but not my main problem right now but when i came to that bridge i will deal with it until then i will run the c52 for a year to see how it does and go from there




well we have to go back and redo the cam issue

it was marked for tdc and rechecked

according to toyota all the 4ag lower timing gears are the same so

i have a extra tension in my set up so my belt is routed a little differnt in one spot

but here is a little more tech stuff

I have a 2.095 lower and 4.48 uppers. With these cam gears the lower pulley should measure 2.24" not 2.095" but this was solves the difference is to account for belt stretch

944 belt

i might have a small issue of timing gear and cam gears teeth arent matching 100% still looking into this

crower 272 in and ex
my cam card is not matching the the number we got off the cams
Once again the cam card we have shows Duration @ .050 to be 224'/224' not 220'/228'. The gross lift on the card shows .321/ .321 not .374/.393 ???
so crower is not being abig help so might just run the stock cams i got from bee for now until i get the car dailed in then probably put some hks cams in but this is if we cant figure out how to get these cams to work

This post has been edited by nik: Feb 20, 2006 - 12:58 PM

[Blakout16]

hmm i wonder i will have to try that tomorrow and see how fast i can do that, and that is another thing that makes the fast and the furious retarted, they said that in a drag race that you should doubble clutch, in 10 seconds i couldnt shift twice even probally

they were granny clutchin' remember? lolol.
if they were 10 seconds or less car, they'll probably looking forward to going clutchless and just having a slap stick.

[Dr_Tweak]

Nik, for when your C52 does go out, I'm 99% sure that you can find someone to make you a flywheel. I have heard of people welding filler rod and filling up the bolt holes, then machining it and redrilling a different pattern, maybe that would work for you. Or maybe a company like Fidenza can just make you one that will work. Either way, once you have an E51 or E58 in there you won't have a problem.

The shop doing the build sounds top-notch, I'll bet you're paying a pretty penny for it.

Come on down to South Carolina when I move, and I'll give you a free run on the dyno

-Doc

This post has been edited by Dr_Tweak: Feb 22, 2006 - 4:02 AM

[FAQdaWorld]

The biggest issue with using a gze tranny is gonna be axles, flywheels and clutches can all be worked out trust me; thats the prolly one of the biggest issues with the gze swap (next to wiring and all that jazz)

Looks like a great build tho cant wait to see some numbers

-FAQ

[nik]

Nik, for when your C52 does go out, I'm 99% sure that you can find someone to make you a flywheel. I have heard of people welding filler rod and filling up the bolt holes, then machining it and redrilling a different pattern, maybe that would work for you. Or maybe a company like Fidenza can just make you one that will work. Either way, once you have an E51 or E58 in there you won't have a problem.

The shop doing the build sounds top-notch, I'll bet you're paying a pretty penny for it.

Come on down to South Carolina when I move, and I'll give you a free run on the dyno

-Doc

what year make ans models do those two trannies come out of i think hte e51 was in the Mr2 but not sure can you send a little info my way so i can do a little research thanks Doc

[97lestyousay]

I will help you with a custom flywheel if you need it.
Can't wait to see that thing in action.

[nik]

update piston should be in this week then a couple days to reassemble and get up and running than about a week of tuning to get the cam bug worked out then should be go to go so i should have it by 3rd week in march

[dustin15brown]

how is it coming along Nik?

[nik]

how is it coming along Nik?

i called the shop yesterday to check on the new pistons they wount be shipped out till the 19th so im waiting for those to come in so i can get randy his pistons and my car done and back im tired of waiting but i leave for florida the 21st until the 29th so hopefully they get the pistons in the motor reassembled the cam timing figured out and fixed and it road tuned by the end of this month once i have it back i'll post a sound clip and video and some finished pics of the motor

[dustin15brown]

goodluck man. I was just in florida, i got home today be safe