jdm SIDEMIRROR wiring INFO, attention NEVERSTOP, CTCAT2049 Options

[trdproven]

If anyone has the plug n play version meaning they already did the wiring and all I have to do is plug the harness, then I would be gladly interested in this. Sorry to hijack.

[njccmd2002]

To avoid multiple posts i will add on.

So this is my experience, after reading all this 10 pages i came to the most helpful conclusion. The part that helpmed me the most was this!

these control the folding motors, both sides are the same
BLUE = + for retract
LITE GREEN = - for retract
YELLOW = - for return
DARK GREEN = + for return

Why, because my setup did not include a relay. Everything else is great if you have the relays. which i dont

I did not have to use the jdm control. I will keep it just in case i ever find a relay, so i can have it oem.

So how was i able to acomplish this. Simple. All yota cars prety much have the same coloring in wiring.


I did not use joint splicers. I use shrink wrap rubber with soldering. So is less messy. here are a few pics of my install.

1. Created my harness with 4 wires.. just for the retract and or restore funtions



2. Took out the whole loom of the door, and undid the electrical tape. Its easier to work with and then passed my cables there. Then i simply recovered the electrical tape.





3. Put everything back to its place, used wiring covers to protect the my harness from the passenger side all the way to the center console, where i would have the switch.

4. Wiring the mirror to the plug is easy. Soldering and shrikwrap. not a lot of mess.



5. I did not use my jdm switch. But i made progress with it..... ill explain later.


2nd Part. Mirror mounting.

1. Took the jdm mirror apart. it was a bit of pain, some screws from the bottom are too dificult and be careful not to damage them



2. To take it apart dont cut the harness,. to use the same harness, all you have to do is pick it apart. Any toyota pigtal can be done this way.





this will make it easier for you. Make sure you take note where the wires plug back together....

3. i used my own usdm casings because i did no like the angles of the jmd, they are RHD this is the comparson, im pointing at JDM



4. after all this, i put everything back together and mounted the mirrors...

3rd part..

1. How will i make them work. Simple. Made my own relay. After reasearching. and some supplies:



2. I created my relay system



they way it works is simply by reversing polarity from negative to positive when the 12 volt switch gets juice.

to prevent the opposite controls to be activated in the mirror i placed silicone diodes that guarantee energy to flow into one direction. So when retract is working, return does not get juice. (since they have the same feed)

I wired them to have the mirrors rectract all the time. if you feed the swtich they will return. Therefore if you wire it to the acc switch the mirrors will retract when you turn the car off and open when you turn it on. You can add switches to turn the whole system off/on at any point in the ground lead. or on demand folding in the switched lead.

I am looking for the original relay. in the meantime this works..... I am working on a circuit to fold it with my alarm. or until i get the oem relay, whichever.....

part 4.

Additional info

to put the jdm switch no need to cut and splice, dont. All toyota did was inverse the plug. But the colors of the wires are the same... REPEAT, same. So pick it apart and put it together. So no splicing there, and less wire..

I can prove it!!!!!!

1. hack the pin



2. tested the leads



3. did the swap of the pins.



4. Plugged my jdm switch..




In conclusion, i only used new wiring for the retracting funtions...and ket my original wires..... Hope this helps!!!!

here it is working



This post has been edited by njccmd2002: Jun 19, 2008 - 8:42 AM

[DEATH]

I told you the USDM housings would work for the JDM folding mirrors - glad you had the same result. For reversing the plug I just cut off the little lock and release tab and simply reversed the plug with the pink one added in. Your way is better but some people may have problems repinning the harness there so there is an easier way for the technically challenged. It doesn't just fall out as you might think - it actually holds quite securely.
Great job on figuring this out [I never would have dreamed it had two negatives - pretty sure that's why I could not get it to work - there would be waaay more combinations to try than I thought].
Now if I can just follow your instructions maybe I can get mine to work as well. I already have my controls working fine and all I want the folding function to do is work with the ignition with a switch to interrupt it's action and stay open when I want it to. In that way I think I'll want mine to be "normally open' [<- completely different sense of the term in this application than from normal wiring ] so that if I hit the switch it will just stay open all the time.
Much props to you man.
Wanna make some for us for a little profit?

This post has been edited by DEATH: Jun 19, 2008 - 8:57 AM

[creis]

radio shack solid coper wire FTL!! making your own relay FTW!!

told you the USDM housings would work for the JDM folding mirrors

I did not even notice there was a diff with them. will have to take a look and swap them if nessisary when I finaly get my mirrors put together and installed.

[Batman722]

I am impressed at your set up great job

I'm glad I was able to help I hooked mine up to a 3 way toggle and called it a day

[relevino]

Just a quick question.

Does this controller (R 516) have a build in relay? And how can i recognise? See pics:





I got this mirror from ebay. The owner is not sure wat year of the car is.

Thanks

sorry, for my bad english!

This post has been edited by relevino: Jun 22, 2008 - 4:10 PM

[njccmd2002]

Just a quick question.

Does this controller (R 516) have a build in relay? And how can i recognise? See pics:





I got this mirror from ebay. The owner is not sure wat year of the car is.

Thanks

sorry, for my bad english!

they do not have relays. the relay is bigger that that.


sorry, you have the options of hardwiring, source the relay or fabricate like i did

[azian_advanced]

good stuff..
it must've been hell not having a relay.. daym..
i was lucky to find another member here who had a spare relay (cuz mine was burnt! grr).

[njccmd2002]

nvm my relay project kept giving problems.

This post has been edited by njccmd2002: Sep 2, 2008 - 9:04 PM

[DEATH]

Mad skillz man - much props. When you go into production I'm your first customer

[relevino]

Indeed i'll be your second customer!

[njccmd2002]

ok guys, i was able to source two jdm relays.

part number 87989-20030 from a celica

part number 87989 - 22010 from a chaser / Mark / A92

both are identical interiors, circuitry and all. all circuitry and everything is the same.

i am connecting the celica here with the diagrams posted and just using 1 mirror.

what happens is that the mirrors opens all the way up and does not stop if its open, and if its closed it tries to close all the way around if its closed.

so the question remains, both relays are identically the same thing., so i have 2 in my hand. but they both do the same thing, the reverse

the next thing will be to check my mirror part number cuz, make sure its a celica. My jdm control is the pink wire so it needs relay. and i have the right relays......

am i doing something wrong,

should i connect two mirrors, did anybody try the relay using just one mirror. did it act funny. cuz it ain't working for me.

any input....

[azian_advanced]

i remember reading a while ago that the mirrors have their own cut off switch that will make the relay stop sending the 'retract' signal when it reaches the open/close position.. i'm not entirely sure how that works.. but i'm leaning towards it being a mirror issue.
i remember when i was toying around with my mirrors before, i put the proper + and - signals to the proper open and close retract wires (ie not using the relay) and the mirrors stopped at the open and close positions on their own even while i was continuously applying the + and - signals to do so.

anyway if the mirrors are not stopping on their own at the proper open/close positions, there is something wrong with the mirrors.

[njccmd2002]

when i manually open and close the mirrors they have a stopping point. but if i invert the polarity, it does the same thing as my relay does.

I know i have the correct part number. should i connect the two mirrors and see what happens?

[azian_advanced]

it's worth a shot.. let us know what happens

but just fyi, you have the correct part number for the jdm 5th gen relay (87989-20030), the 6th gens are 87989-20060 and should be white (not black).

i just want to confirm (before i say anything further) did your relay come with the harness? or are you manually connecting them to the pins on the relay?

[njccmd2002]

i have a harness, and i think all relays are the same inside, all that chages is the box cuz i have seen other relays and are same, i have never seen a 20060 from the inside.

[azian_advanced]

the 20060 is slightly different since some of the retracting wires are located at different pins.. but i don't think it matters much.. i hope the harness you got is from a 5th gen not a 6th gen. cuz i know some of those jdm mirror sellers on ebay like to mix and match. they will sell you mirrors for a 6th gen but will find any mirror relay (for any gen) and include it in the sale.
i guess the only thing to do is to make sure your wiring isn't inverted which would cause it to keep forcing itself to open/close without stopping.

[njccmd2002]

so how do i get the 5th gen wiring?

[njccmd2002]

azian the following pic here is #3 supposed to be ground or +12 as

thanks azian_advance! Btw, I presume that terminal #3 of the switch goes to the car's "ACC ON", right?

also im assuming this diagram is for the 20060 cause what this guys says is completely different

RELAY WIRES (looking at it from the back where the wires go INTO the unit with the locking nipple UP).
5 - Retractor reverse, left (RL) - BLUE-- to blue wire on Left Mirror
4 - Retractor limt sense forward, left (LFL) - YELLOW--to yellow on Left Mirror
(nipple)
3 - +B - BLUE/YELLOW-- +12V acc 'ON'
2 - Retractor limit sense reverse, right (LRR) - BLUE/RED-- blue/red on Right Mirror
1 - Retractor forward, right (FR) - RED/YELLOW-- red/yellow on Right Mirror
12 - Retractor reverse, right (RR) - BLUE/WHITE(white)-- blue/white on Right Mirror
11 - Retractor limit sense forward, right (LFR) - GREEN/YELLOW-- green/yellow on Right Mirror
10 - retractor switch (S) - PINK-- pink on switch
9 - GND - WHITE(white)/BLACK-- ground
8 - not connected (possibly auto retract function?)
7 - Retractor limit sense reverse, left (LRL) - BROWN-- brown on Left Mirror
6 - Retractor forward, left (FL) - GREEN-- green on Left Mirror

This post has been edited by njccmd2002: Sep 4, 2008 - 8:00 PM

[Batman722]

I'm not sure if I posted this already but here's some 5th gen folding mirror info

http://www.radcastro.com/Projects/Project+ST2GT4/580.aspx