the e-ram, my experience Options

[jgreening]

How are you planning to prove to people if this thing does work? Are you saying people should just take your word for it or are you gonna show some testing results (i.e dyno tests, videos or your runs w/ and w/out the eram, or g-tech testings).

good question, although i would hope people would take my word for it, i know thats not the case. im not working for eracing and i wouldnt want anybody else to waster 300 bucks if thats what happens to me. i will look for a dyno around here, but i wont if it its too much of an inconvenience, im not here to please everyone else i will post speedometer videos of it disconnected/connected, and my review will be detailed. again im not expecting drastic performance increase, however, i believe for 300 bucks it will produce more gains than exhaust, headers, intake would. anybody coming to the colorado meet can try it for themselves (hopefully by then ill be running it at 16.2volts and 1135 watts). i dont have a g-tech. i will make an effort to get a dyno done, because im interested in the actual results myself.

Take your word for it? Surely, you don't expect people to do that. You sound very knowledgable in the scientific method. Can you imagine a scientist saying "I just found the cure to cancer but I can't demonstrate it to you - just take this pill - its only $300"?

[Hanyo]

we have no proof it creates 3 hp.

for all i know, it might not even create any. so that is why its pointless argueing any further about eram, but to let our minds open on this topic.



This post has been edited by Hanyo: Feb 15, 2006 - 6:41 AM

[presure2]

you have no proof it creates 3 hp.

for all i know it might not even create any. so that is why its pointless argueing any further about eram, but to create our minds open on this topic.

what do you mean i have no proof? the dynosheet is right on the first page, taken right from the eram site.
and BTW, im not arguing, just providing information, so that before all the kids on this site look at this post and say OHHHH imma gain MAD tizight hp yo, they might think about it seriously for a minute.
i mean really. your BEARLY gonna even feel 3-4whp..hell, i can see a 3-5whp diffrence from RUN TO RUN on the dyno. with no changes.

[Hanyo]

i know about the dynosheets, i'm waiting for the eram to be fitted to the celica to draw my conclusions.
(Edit: i forgot to add) The reason why I am disreguarding the 3hp gain is because the mr2 was not tuned for he boost. If the Eram was tune, I'm sure we will see more then 3 hp.


but from a serious stand point: there is no way for eram to make 7.7 whp. With tranny efficeny loss, this eram has to pump out aleast 10+hp at the crank.

And we have to remember, with real turbos set up rpm increases with boost. With an eram, engine rpm increases and boost falls. And we are not factering in the cost of engine management to tune for the boost. The over all equipment cost will be around $700.

This post has been edited by Hanyo: Feb 15, 2006 - 7:06 AM

[presure2]

guy, do you "tune" your car when you put on an exhaust? or intake?
i mean really, how much can you "tune" for 3hp? LMAO
regardless whether its a celica or a mr2, the gains will be VERY close, if not the same.
ohh and BTW...if this thing actually did create "boost"
youd throw a code, and the car will run like junk, because of the map sensor.


This post has been edited by presure2: Feb 15, 2006 - 7:12 AM

[Hanyo]

kwanza put on bolt ons ( i/h/e)and tuned it. He got a decent time on the quartermile. I remeber something about this in one of his post.

so why cant you obtain higher hp numbers with some form of tuning, especially when there is boost invovled. The 5s ecu was not designed for boost, so tuning it will help it alot.

This post has been edited by Hanyo: Feb 15, 2006 - 7:20 AM

[Jeremy1210]

Take your word for it? Surely, you don't expect people to do that. You sound very knowledgable in the scientific method. Can you imagine a scientist saying "I just found the cure to cancer but I can't demonstrate it to you - just take this pill - its only $300"?

Give the scientists some credit. THey only develop/ make the things. Its the bastard marketing/ business people that sell it for $$$

[snapshotgt]

Just wait and see, pointless arguing is not going to show the dyno results, or how much he is spending per hp.

~snap

[celicaST]

wow, look at all this action i missed last night obviously none of you read what i have written twice now. that is too keep the debate out of this thread. or, im guessing you have read it, but have chosen to disrespect me. talk about some self-control.

guy, if you wanna talk area under the curve, i got that one covered too.
like dustin said, your basicly paying about 100$ per HP with the eram.
i spent about 3500 on my turbo kit, and thats spending in a LOT of places i didnt have to.

thats about a 90whp gain and 100+ft lbs...
that right there cost me basicly 35$ per hp...you tell me, which is more cost effective.
im sorry man, the e-ram is NOT gonna give you what a GOOD intake, header and exhaust is.

another impressive dyno, but absolutely no relavence to this topic.

i got some math for you


Eram + Celica = Slow Car

stop it, please. youre embarrassing yourself. now before you reply that im embarrassing myself for buying this, stop and read all of my posts. this is for fun, and its just to see if this product works, and i intend to do so.

How are you planning to prove to people if this thing does work? Are you saying people should just take your word for it or are you gonna show some testing results (i.e dyno tests, videos or your runs w/ and w/out the eram, or g-tech testings).

good question, although i would hope people would take my word for it, i know thats not the case. im not working for eracing and i wouldnt want anybody else to waster 300 bucks if thats what happens to me. i will look for a dyno around here, but i wont if it its too much of an inconvenience, im not here to please everyone else i will post speedometer videos of it disconnected/connected, and my review will be detailed. again im not expecting drastic performance increase, however, i believe for 300 bucks it will produce more gains than exhaust, headers, intake would. anybody coming to the colorado meet can try it for themselves (hopefully by then ill be running it at 16.2volts and 1135 watts). i dont have a g-tech. i will make an effort to get a dyno done, because im interested in the actual results myself.

Take your word for it? Surely, you don't expect people to do that. You sound very knowledgable in the scientific method. Can you imagine a scientist saying "I just found the cure to cancer but I can't demonstrate it to you - just take this pill - its only $300"?

jay, thats why i said "i know thats not the case." trust me, i will document my results the best way i can, and i will post all data i have collected before i post my personal impressions.

you have no proof it creates 3 hp.

for all i know it might not even create any. so that is why its pointless argueing any further about eram, but to create our minds open on this topic.

what do you mean i have no proof? the dynosheet is right on the first page, taken right from the eram site.
and BTW, im not arguing, just providing information, so that before all the kids on this site look at this post and say OHHHH imma gain MAD tizight hp yo, they might think about it seriously for a minute.
i mean really. your BEARLY gonna even feel 3-4whp..hell, i can see a 3-5whp diffrence from RUN TO RUN on the dyno. with no changes.

guy, do you "tune" your car when you put on an exhaust? or intake?
i mean really, how much can you "tune" for 3hp? LMAO
regardless whether its a celica or a mr2, the gains will be VERY close, if not the same.
ohh and BTW...if this thing actually did create "boost"
youd throw a code, and the car will run like junk, because of the map sensor.

first of all, the significance of a 3hp gain depends on the car at hand. 3hp on a 7afe is going to be felt more as a change than an enzo. so in other words, its the percentage gain that matters. and remember, a 3-5hp gain at all rpms is quite different than a 3-5 hp spike at a certain rpm. now, i know 3hp isnt going to be a big difference one way or the other. however, we dont know what it will produce, so lets quit arguing. please just respect my thread, you are a grown man, and wait until i post results.

*also, remember im in colorado, which is one of the reasons im more confident in buying it. because the air density is already 12.5% lower than at sea level, any boost this does create will be well with the ecus data map.

Just wait and see, pointless arguing is not going to show the dyno results, or how much he is spending per hp.

~snap

exactly.

This post has been edited by celicaST: Feb 15, 2006 - 11:25 AM

[Defgeph]

I can not believe this thread. I'm kinda of insulted that this would be even considered forced induction. This little tin foil fan is pointless. If you want to see the same gains just buy a cat back exhaust. That will proably give you twice as much HP this sheet metal fan would alone.

Make your own cold air intake, thats where you'll see some noticable gains.


Two parts you are going to need for this project to run right.

Part 1

Part 2

Then you'll be official.

Dont waste your money on a dyno or this plastic fan. Put it towards good use, like mentioned above. The money you would spend on this whole endeavour, you would already own I/H/E.

I cant believe some of you think this is a viable option.

[playr158]

MWAHHAHAHA i love that jeff!

[tim86]

i love it how all the 3sgte/turbo guys are math wizards and provide countless dyno sheets to discourage the man from even trying it for the community... he said its for fun, and he has already spent money on it. I find it interesting and I cant wait to see how it works out for you celicaST.

[celicaST]

I can not believe this thread. I'm kinda of insulted that this would be even considered forced induction. This little tin foil fan is pointless. If you want to see the same gains just buy a cat back exhaust. That will proably give you twice as much HP this sheet metal fan would alone.

Make your own cold air intake, thats where you'll see some noticable gains.


Two parts you are going to need for this project to run right.

Part 1

Part 2

Then you'll be official.

Dont waste your money on a dyno or this plastic fan. Put it towards good use, like mentioned above. The money you would spend on this whole endeavour, you would already own I/H/E.

I cant believe some of you think this is a viable option.

dear god, now you too. have your read this whole thread yet? or did you just come yap in and post your opinion? like i said, its easy for you who have swapped or turboed to disregard it because you have no interest if it works or not. was that another cheap shot with those two links? real mature, ill let it slide though. its your opinion that im wasting my money. its 300 bucks, big deal. is it so hard to keep your opinion to yourself? i will be very disappointed if this gets locked, especially since it was mainly you, the moderators that disrespected my request, and began arguing. this thread, although its your opinion that it is not a valuable product, is still a valuable thread because i will post results.

i love it how all the 3sgte/turbo guys are math wizards and provide countless dyno sheets to discourage the man from even trying it for the community... he said its for fun, and he has already spent money on it. I find it interesting and I cant wait to see how it works out for you celicaST.

thank you.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

I didn't think this was a debate thread. I thought it was just a info on his project thread. I understand that some of the posts on both sides have good arguements, but some are just there to simply irritate. I'm skeptic about this thing working, and about it not working. The math seems to be there, and the only way to settle it, is for celicaST to put it on his car and see how it turns out. I don't think there is much room for talk except to wish him good luck and incurage him to get to a dyno to prove all results.

Please clean this thread, but do not lock it. I want to know if it works or not. I need proff from a person who's tried it and not just the e-ram site.

[celicaST]

I didn't think this was a debate thread. I thought it was just a info on his project thread. I understand that some of the posts on both sides have good arguements, but some are just there to simply irritate. I'm skeptic about this thing working, and about it not working. The math seems to be there, and the only way to settle it, is for celicaST to put it on his car and see how it turns out. I don't think there is much room for talk except to wish him good luck and incurage him to get to a dyno to prove all results.

Please clean this thread, but do not lock it. I want to know if it works or not. I need proff from a person who's tried it and not just the e-ram site.

thank you, and dont worry, i will try to get a dyno. please, everybody, no more until i get it in my hands and begin testing.

[Defgeph]

I did read this entire thread, I've kept a tight lip until now. I'm not trying to bash you, just trying to open your eyes. The reason I posted those two links is because they work just as well as this eram. And it was a joke Be easy brother.

It doesnt matter what engine I have, I still want to see improvements, other methods of creating power. For all our engines. This product is not worth the money, period. We know its not worth it, thats why we are trying to tell you not to go through with this.

here are the two scenarios:

One:
You come back with it installed, get everybody excited cause the ass dyno felt some extra pep. Other members start buying this product, install it. Then they come back yelling at you, because this thing is garbage and does not work.


Two:
You come back and say damn you guys are right this thing didnt do jack. What a waste of money.

I highly doubt you'll come back with number 2, I for see this as scenario number 1. Which I hope is not the case. The moral of my posts today. I understand what you are trying to do, thats great. Your money is better spent on I/H/E.

[WannabeGT4]

I'm with Jeff on this one. If you don't have a before and after dyno, you won't be proving anything.

[Defgeph]

I'm with Jeff on this one. If you don't have a before and after dyno, you won't be proving anything.

Exactly what I'm saying.

[celicaST]

I did read this entire thread, I've kept a tight lip until now. I'm not trying to bash you, just trying to open your eyes. The reason I posted those two links is because they work just as well as this eram. And it was a joke Be easy brother.

It doesnt matter what engine I have, I still want to see improvements, other methods of creating power. For all our engines. This product is not worth the money, period. We know its not worth it, thats why we are trying to tell you not to go through with this.

here are the two scenarios:

One:
You come back with it installed, get everybody excited cause the ass dyno felt some extra pep. Other members start buying this product, install it. Then they come back yelling at you, because this thing is garbage and does not work.


Two:
You come back and say damn you guys are right this thing didnt do jack. What a waste of money.

I highly doubt you'll come back with number 2, I for see this as scenario number 1. Which I hope is not the case. The moral of my posts today. I understand what you are trying to do, thats great. Your money is better spent on I/H/E.

trust me, i dont need any help opening my eyes k

"We know its not worth it, thats why we are trying to tell you not to go through with this."
unless you show me proof, thats just as bad as saying "we know it IS worth it." without proof, i have to assume thats your opinon speaking.

One: you obviously dont know the manner im going to report. i said i will post all DATA before my personal impressions, and those impressions will be detailed. i wont just say "wow that thing kicked ass, go buy one!"

Two: if this happens (which is a possibility ive looked at), so be it. this is a TEST for a reason, because i dont know what the results will be. but 300 bucks isnt that much, and it doesnt hurt anybody here at all, just myself.

[Supersprynt]

i got some math for you


Eram + Celica = Slow Car

I personally love the "rules of this thread." How are you gonna come in and talk about something I use on my desk at home and not stir up debate?

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Feb 15, 2006 - 11:50 AM