the e-ram, my experience Options

[Defgeph]

two more questions.

What you you going to use to document the data ? How are you going to test this to find the facts ?

[celicaST]

I'm with Jeff on this one. If you don't have a before and after dyno, you won't be proving anything.

did you read what i will do? i said i will try to get a dyno both before, and one after. if i can find one nearby for good price heres how it will go: before dyno will have two runs, one as it is now, and one with k/n replacement filter. after dyno will have two runs, one with it connected, one with it disconnected. also, i WILL post speedometer videos of my car at WOT on the same stretch of road both disconnected/connected. and hopefully, although not in near future, i will make it to the track to post 1/4mile times (most likely in the summer).

[WannabeGT4]

I did read this entire thread, I've kept a tight lip until now. I'm not trying to bash you, just trying to open your eyes. The reason I posted those two links is because they work just as well as this eram. And it was a joke Be easy brother.

It doesnt matter what engine I have, I still want to see improvements, other methods of creating power. For all our engines. This product is not worth the money, period. We know its not worth it, thats why we are trying to tell you not to go through with this.

here are the two scenarios:

One:
You come back with it installed, get everybody excited cause the ass dyno felt some extra pep. Other members start buying this product, install it. Then they come back yelling at you, because this thing is garbage and does not work.


Two:
You come back and say damn you guys are right this thing didnt do jack. What a waste of money.

I highly doubt you'll come back with number 2, I for see this as scenario number 1. Which I hope is not the case. The moral of my posts today. I understand what you are trying to do, thats great. Your money is better spent on I/H/E.

trust me, i dont need any help opening my eyes k

"We know its not worth it, thats why we are trying to tell you not to go through with this."
unless you show me proof, thats just as bad as saying "we know it IS worth it." without proof, i have to assume thats your opinon speaking.

One: you obviously dont know the manner im going to report. i said i will post all DATA before my personal impressions, and those impressions will be detailed. i wont just say "wow that thing kicked ass, go buy one!"

Two: if this happens (which is a possibility ive looked at), so be it. this is a TEST for a reason, because i dont know what the results will be. but 300 bucks isnt that much, and it doesnt hurt anybody here at all, just myself.

What knid of data are you going to have? Aren't we debating the performance aspect of this device? Isn't a dyno the only real way to measure that? Didn't you say you would only dyno it if you could find one near by? The only other relevant data would be miles per gallon but that's not really what I thought we were debating.

[Supersprynt]

Theres to many variables in your before an after testing. Buy a single dyno session and do a couple runs with it on and off. On road testing is worthless theres too many differences in your driving and atmospheric conditions.

[Defgeph]

Theres to many variables in your before an after testing. Buy a single dyno session and do a couple runs with it on and off. On road testing is worthless theres too many differences in your driving and atmospheric conditions.

Agreed. One dyno session and put this to rest.

[celicaST]

i got some math for you


Eram + Celica = Slow Car

I personally love the "rules of this thread." How are you gonna come in and talk about something I use on my desk at home and not stir up debate?

well i overestimated the self control of some people. i know there is a debate, but i wanted this thread to be purely informative because theres another thread with the debate. i thought we could continue debate in one thread and have one for testing a product.

[WannabeGT4]

I'm with Jeff on this one. If you don't have a before and after dyno, you won't be proving anything.

did you read what i will do? i said i will try to get a dyno both before, and one after. if i can find one nearby for good price heres how it will go: before dyno will have two runs, one as it is now, and one with k/n replacement filter. after dyno will have two runs, one with it connected, one with it disconnected. also, i WILL post speedometer videos of my car at WOT on the same stretch of road both disconnected/connected. and hopefully, although not in near future, i will make it to the track to post 1/4mile times (most likely in the summer).

Trying to get dyno time is different than actually doing it. I was making a point that without the dyno you're just wasting time and money. If you really want to prove something you WILL need dyno runs.

i got some math for you


Eram + Celica = Slow Car

I personally love the "rules of this thread." How are you gonna come in and talk about something I use on my desk at home and not stir up debate?

well i overestimated the self control of some people. i know there is a debate, but i wanted this thread to be purely informative because theres another thread with the debate. i thought we could continue debate in one thread and have one for testing a product.

We flame because we care.

[celicaST]

Theres to many variables in your before an after testing. Buy a single dyno session and do a couple runs with it on and off. On road testing is worthless theres too many differences in your driving and atmospheric conditions.

i know theres variables between before and after testing, however i wanted to roughly compare it to what i have now and what gains a kn filter produce alone. im not going to take the eram on and off at one dyno run if thats what you want. i did say i will run it powered/unpowered at one dyno session. that will be the dyno your looking for.

[celicaST]

I'm with Jeff on this one. If you don't have a before and after dyno, you won't be proving anything.

did you read what i will do? i said i will try to get a dyno both before, and one after. if i can find one nearby for good price heres how it will go: before dyno will have two runs, one as it is now, and one with k/n replacement filter. after dyno will have two runs, one with it connected, one with it disconnected. also, i WILL post speedometer videos of my car at WOT on the same stretch of road both disconnected/connected. and hopefully, although not in near future, i will make it to the track to post 1/4mile times (most likely in the summer).

Trying to get dyno time is different than actually doing it. I was making a point that without the dyno you're just wasting time and money. If you really want to prove something you WILL need dyno runs.

i got some math for you


Eram + Celica = Slow Car

I personally love the "rules of this thread." How are you gonna come in and talk about something I use on my desk at home and not stir up debate?

well i overestimated the self control of some people. i know there is a debate, but i wanted this thread to be purely informative because theres another thread with the debate. i thought we could continue debate in one thread and have one for testing a product.

We flame because we care.

ok ok thanks for caring lol. as for your comments about trying vs getting a dyno. if you read what i wrote before, i said i will make an effort to get a dyno (trust me, i want to see the numbers myself). however, my primary concern isnt to please you guys. again, i will post WOT speedo runs (which in my opinon is valuable evidence).

[Supersprynt]

I think theres too many confounding variables in your analysis for you to have any internal or external validity. What I'd personally like to see is stock setup, a regular short ram, and then this thiggamajigg using the same filter. Then you will have a control.

[celicaST]

I think theres too many confounding variables in your analysis for you to have any internal or external validity. What I'd personally like to see is stock setup, a regular short ram, and then this thiggamajigg using the same filter. Then you will have a control.

i dont think you understand how exactly i want to test it. i know how to run an experiment, trust me. now im starting to think i shouldnt have posted this topic until i got it in my hands ok, im done posting in this thread until i get it and begin testing.

[Supersprynt]

If you know how to run an experiment then run it properly. Dyno testing it with it powered/unpowered is worthless because its still in there and now creating an obtrusion to airflow. Nobody cares what it does unpowered, people would be interested in its gain powered vs. a short ram & CAI. If your going to run bogus tests like what MPH I am at mile-marker 88 then this entire experiment is a waste of time.

[lagos]

this is just sad. sad that people know so little about cars that they will belive just about any claims a business will make. this is just like the "tornado" or some type of fuel line magnet that claims to save gas or the daily emails about pills that will make my penis larger. these things just dont work, plain and simple.

i know that a lot of you guys think .... " it will work! the swpers/turbo guys on here just think they are better then us". this is not the case at all, "we flame because we care". i dont want to see all of you guys wasting your hard earned money on this scam . go out and get an intake, exhaust, underdrive pully, light flywheel, timing advance, weight reduction, suspension, larger throttle body, etc... make the NA celica all it can be through proven methods instead of buying into scams on the internet.

[lilsteeg]

this is just sad. sad that people know so little about cars that they will belive just about any claims a business will make. this is just like the "tornado" or some type of fuel line magnet that claims to save gas or the daily emails about pills that will make my penis larger. these things just dont work, plain and simple.

so you know this because you have tried those penis pills, ha ha but all you said is true

[Supersprynt]

Those pills work, so stfu.

[BBoYRuGGeD]

this is just like the "tornado" or some type of fuel line magnet that claims to save gas or the daily emails about pills that will make my penis larger.

so u've tried? hahah sorry art i couldnt resist!

Those pills work, so stfu.

lol some of u guys on here scare me sometimes

bboy

[lilsteeg]

this is just like the "tornado" or some type of fuel line magnet that claims to save gas or the daily emails about pills that will make my penis larger.

so u've tried? hahah sorry art i couldnt resist!

Those pills work, so stfu.

lol some of u guys on here scare me sometimes

bboy

most of the people here scare me

[Cutrara]

this is my math:

90hp/ $3500= .02571

this means every dollar you put in, it will give you .025 hp.

You need to divide $3500/90hp.

$38.88 dollars yields 1 HP.

I believe the Numbers are:
E-ram
$100/HP

3S-GTE Swap
$47/HP

Properly tuned 5S-FTE
$38.88/HP

[celicaST]

man every time i get back from class, someone has to start it up again

i said no more but just had to resond to some nonsense. ok last post, and then im requesting a lock.

If you know how to run an experiment then run it properly. Dyno testing it with it powered/unpowered is worthless because its still in there and now creating an obtrusion to airflow. Nobody cares what it does unpowered, people would be interested in its gain powered vs. a short ram & CAI. If your going to run bogus tests like what MPH I am at mile-marker 88 then this entire experiment is a waste of time.

haha so let me get this straight. you want me to put on and take off a sri, cai, and the eram and take multiple dynos of them all at one dyno session. sorry aint gunna happen. but lets face it. no matter what results i get or how well i collect my data, its not going to convince you, lagos, manny, or anybody else that is so close-minded. being skeptical is ok (in fact its a necessary and great quality to have), but those who discount an idea before its been tested arent ever going to accept anything besides what they know. hell im still skeptical if it will work. thats why im TESTING it. take jay, its obvious hes very skeptical, but he appears to have an open mind about it. the rest of you are spouting your opinions as fact, and are already trying to discount any results i come up with.

now here was my dyno plan, take it or leave it. two trips to dyno:

1st session: run A-run my stock setup as is; run B- run my stock setup with kn replacement filter

tada, one variable

2nd session: run C- eram intalled (turned off) with kn filter; run D- eram installed (turned on) with kn filter

tada again, one variable between B and C, and one between D and C, and one between D and B. if you think about it, those 4 runs could provide a lot of info (for example, B vs C would show restriction of eram installed, B vs D would show relative improvement eram gained over the kn filter)

now i know they wouldnt be at the same time so atmospheric conditions would change a bit, but thats the best i could do without extra effort or a lot of runs (=money) to please you. but im sure its not good enough for you

this is just sad. sad that people know so little about cars that they will belive just about any claims a business will make. this is just like the "tornado" or some type of fuel line magnet that claims to save gas or the daily emails about pills that will make my penis larger. these things just dont work, plain and simple.

i know that a lot of you guys think .... " it will work! the swpers/turbo guys on here just think they are better then us". this is not the case at all, "we flame because we care". i dont want to see all of you guys wasting your hard earned money on this scam . go out and get an intake, exhaust, underdrive pully, light flywheel, timing advance, weight reduction, suspension, larger throttle body, etc... make the NA celica all it can be through proven methods instead of buying into scams on the internet.

you just wont stop will ya? you know whats really sad? how some of you who have swapped makes you think you know everything about how cars work. anybody can save 5k and swap. granted, you do know about the details of the 6g than me. but since you implied that i "know so little about cars," let me say that i can almost guarantee ive forgotten more about machine design and operation than youve ever known bud. you dont "flame because you care" you flame because you want everybody to think youre right. like i said, everytime you say you KNOW it doesnt work without proof thats just as bad as someone saying they KNOW it works without proof. by the way, dont compare this to the tornado or penis pills lol.

by the way, heres a thought experiment for you. what if you had a great idea for a product of some sort and you wanted to market it. lets say your product did something different that most people werent familar with. now with a market full of products that are scams, how would you market it to show people it works. its tough.

[presure2]

just for clarification, i never bashed on you, or said it "wouldnt" work.
i simply posted dynocharts right off the site, and my own dynocharts.
if it works or not is not the debate im trying to make.
my point is that your much better off spending the 300$ on somthing else.
or better yet, heres a freebee:
run good gas (IE: 91 octane or better) and advance your timing 2 degrees to 12, and youll get better, more consistant gains from that then youll ever get from the eram.

locked by request

This post has been edited by presure2: Feb 15, 2006 - 6:11 PM