 Racing..., celica V.S. other cars.. |
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 Oct 20, 2004 - 1:00 PM
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 Enthusiast  Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)  |
98% of bodykits make the drag much worse. and "practice at red lights" is a really bad idea, because even though you may consider yourself a "good driver" ive seen too many idiots run red lights when the car coming from the light that just turned green get going right away without looking and bam, game over, sure it isnt technically your fault, but it still lands you in a bad spot. practicing should be left to test and tune days. --------------------  Believer, you'll leave her, in leaving them all No but I don't buy it Like anything you do, as anyone you are Cause I'm... Ten Speed, of God's Blood & Burial |
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Oct 20, 2004 - 1:04 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 24, '03 From fort smith, ar Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
^^werd.
-dstrb --------------------  former celica owner. |
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Oct 20, 2004 - 1:05 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Vidor, TX Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
i get what your saying and it all comes into the realm of situational awareness, which if you race you need
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Oct 20, 2004 - 1:11 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Only thing is... no matter how aware you are, how good you are... what's gonna stop a stupid driver from hitting you? This post has been edited by Kwanza26: Oct 20, 2004 - 1:13 PM -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Oct 20, 2004 - 1:19 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Vidor, TX Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
im not saying to step into it just practice in your mind. just slightly jumping off the line
at night when no cars are preesent to do this not in the middle of day when everyone and there brothers on the road and beside this is for help remember This post has been edited by thedevilmaycrie: Oct 20, 2004 - 1:19 PM |
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Oct 20, 2004 - 1:38 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
There's a riced out Saturn at my school, lambo doors, etc etc. Obviously, some sort of idiot. I'm on my way home last night (keep in mind, it's been raining here, so the roads are wet as hell).
It's 2 lanes in either direction; I'm in the left lane and need to make a right turn at the light after the one I'm currently stopped at. Currently in the right lane is a bus (and a lot of cars behind that, including the saturn). It's a VERY short block, so when the light turns green I punch it off the line just enough so my tires dont lose traction; I pull ahead of the bus, signal, and make my way over. Well, it turns out that riced up Saturn I passed in the right lane decided that he didn't want to wait for all the cars in the right lane. He turned into the right turn lane; and rocketed through the intersection; past the bus, and tried to move into my car (which now occupies the right lane) without looking past the bus. I honk at him, he swerves back, nearly hits the curb; swerves back again, nearly hits me, corrects, goes straight for 5 more feet; then slams on his breaks before he hits a police cruiser which is parked on the shoulder. He looses traction and slides- unfortunately I think he stops before he hits the cruiser- and even worse, I dont think there was anything in the cruiser. This was all at speeds below 45 mph- no one was racing, my tach never got above 4k; and still something insanely stupid happened because other drivers- especially ricers, are stupid. Do I streetrace? Yes I do, from time to time. Do I recognize that it's stupid, immature, and dangerous? Yup- I haven't streetraced in about 5 months, give or take? I never had one close call, for which I am thankful, but I know if I do it, it's likely to happen. I don't condone it. Lives are lost- but then, lives are lost no matter what you do; you could go through a green light and get hit by a guy running a red and die. Streetracing increases those chances. I'm not sure what I'm trying to say in this post. Lalalalla |
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Oct 21, 2004 - 12:59 PM
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Enthusiast Joined May 4, '04 From NYC Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
GT beats ST. Everybody knows this but I have proven it, again. On the quarter mile stock GT beats stock ST minimum 3 car lengths, I drove the GT and ST have a better driver. I only hit 74 @ the quarter mile.
My car starts to drift @ 60 MPH in turns. |
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Oct 21, 2004 - 1:21 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
what the hell does this have to do with anything? |
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Oct 21, 2004 - 1:40 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
If these cars start to drift at 60 mph... everyone would be dead. FWD cars don't drift the way "drift" refers to... and GT's don't always beat STs. So that doesn't matter. -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Oct 21, 2004 - 2:38 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Kwanza, you mean to tell me that all cars dont break into mad drifts when they hit 60. I wish I could see the interstate when that happens. 100 cars all slideways with white smoke pouring into the sky.
And still, what the hell does that statement have to do with anything? -Ti |
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Oct 21, 2004 - 3:36 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jun 29, '03 From canoga park , ca Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i drive an st and beat gt's i never did it in a straight but i beat 2000+ gt's.
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Oct 21, 2004 - 3:44 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Sep 28, '03 From Bloomington, IN Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I hate it when u say this shady. If you were in my state, i love to own u in some turns
-------------------- NASA/SCCA RX-7....currently under the knife
92 Civic hatch B16 - Sold 10th anniv RX-7 - RIP The Slow Celica - Sold...and then crushed crushed due to street racing. Quote from Seinfeild: George's Boss reading a magazine: "People magazine's most beautiful people. Oh and a Celica...nothin wrong with that!" |
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Oct 21, 2004 - 3:53 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Thats because 7th gen GTs suck |
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Oct 21, 2004 - 3:59 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Sounds unbelieveable... but yeah! ;] -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Oct 21, 2004 - 4:17 PM
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Enthusiast Joined May 4, '04 From NYC Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
My point:
STOCK GT beat STOCK ST in straight line on 1/4 mile with the driver being equal. My car starts to drift in those "Initial D" turns @ 60MPH, 50MPH it still sticks to the road. Pretty insane drifing downhill @ 60MPH. This post have to do with "Racing" as the topic suggests, NOT "Flamming" as some people are doing. |
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Oct 21, 2004 - 4:58 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
We were never talking about the GT and ST in a 1/4 mile though? FWD cars cant drift. Then can understeer like mad though. I'll explain, as driving cars is my life and job. We were never talking about the GT and ST in a 1/4 mile though? FWD cars cant drift. Then can understeer like mad though. I'll explain, as driving cars is my life and job. Drifting is a technique the driver uses to turn the car but let its continue on a straight path. Once the driver decides the path must be changed, he can change the direction of the car by either accelerating or braking and turning the front wheels. In a scenario: The 240SX is coming up on a corner, he jerks the wheels to the right for a split second pulling the car hard to the right, but before the car actually leaves the path, the driver jerks the wheels to the left hard. Since the car had full intentions of going to the right, and now centrifugal motion is pulling it hard to the right, the back end will slide. The back wheels on this car are powering it so the driver must have full control over the accelerator not to under or overpower the rear wheels, but just keep the spinning hard enough so the back wheels don’t have traction. The car is still going in a straight line, however the car is pointing in the direction of the corner. Once the corner is reached, he can turn the wheel a little bit to the right to put pressure back on the rear wheels and accelerate the rear wheels. This is drifting. The car approached the corner without losing much speed. If he didn't drift, he would of had to brake, slowing the car down not to under or oversteer the car. That was a nice drift that 240SX did. w00t for him. Now we have a EG Civic, Mr. Initial D (and you should know if watching that show why you cant drift a FF car), who wants to drift. Now as the EG enters the corner, he will do the same technique by going right for a split second but sharply pulling it back. However, he will have to accelerate VERY HARD and actually make the car pull hard right and hard left, while braking with the left foot, to break the rear end lose. Since the front wheels are doing most of the driving (hehe all of the driving) the car has to move in the direction the wheels are facing, unlike the RWD, in which the car moves in any direction you throw it. So as the back end breaks lose and slides right, the driver will have to ACCEL HARD, while still braking with the left, to break the front tires loose too, since to drift a FWD, it has to be a 4 wheel drift. As the little EG slides sideways, the driver will have to decelerate the car to the point that the tires grip again... once gripped, he'll let go his left foot to regain traction with the rear wheels. That is how you drift a FWD. However, you cannot do it long or in sequence. The rear wheels will re-grip unless spinning out of control. Since the RWD power the backs, he can overaccel to keep the back end loose. The back end in a FWD only slides as much as centrifugal force pulls it. So, you have VERY limited slides and cannot reslide once gripped. So you cannot pull those amazing AE86 slides after slides after slides. If I'm a guessing man, your drifting downhill is just controlled understeer with the e-brake. Drifters dont use the ebrake  .Hope this helped. -Ti Sorry for the whole Mark Twain thing I got going on. Hope this helped. -Ti Sorry for the whole Mark Twain thing I got going on. |
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Oct 21, 2004 - 8:01 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 28, '03 From Bloomington, IN Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
The 240SX is coming up on a corner, he jerks the wheels to the right for a split second pulling the car hard to the right,
That's called a "faint" which is very common. Learned that baby from the drift bible -------------------- NASA/SCCA RX-7....currently under the knife
92 Civic hatch B16 - Sold 10th anniv RX-7 - RIP The Slow Celica - Sold...and then crushed crushed due to street racing. Quote from Seinfeild: George's Boss reading a magazine: "People magazine's most beautiful people. Oh and a Celica...nothin wrong with that!" |
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Oct 21, 2004 - 8:31 PM
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Enthusiast Joined May 4, '04 From NYC Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
controlled understerring with the e break dont sound as cool as drifting.
Im gonna go do some understerring right now!! 
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Oct 21, 2004 - 8:59 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Awesome, I love back up. I used to e-brake but after I was good at the faint (I know that term as well, but most dont so I just explained it) then the e-brake is pratically useless. Plus it gives you a much easier and faster drift. The ebrake is too much time now. -Ti |
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Oct 21, 2004 - 9:04 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 25, '04 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
It may not sound cool but its what it is. If you get into a tuner group and talk about how you 'drift' your FF. You'll be tore apart if the people are smart, and lose lots of respect. I'd just say that you've learned to slide your FWD pretty good around the corners. Sliding is ok to say, figuring you DO slide, but dont say drifting. Say that, and its back to Vin Diesel in Fast and the Furious.
Trust me.... you dont want that. -Ti |
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